[Advaita-l] Maha Pativrataas

[Divya Meedin]

Thought-provoking and humbling perspective, Sreenivasa-ji. Thanks very much.

On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 9:54 AM, sreenivasa murthy via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

>  Dear Vedantin friends ,
>  Are we pativratas to our "puruSha"?Please search your hearts and get the
> answer for yourself.
>
> With respectful namaskars,Sreenivasa Murthy
>
>     On Monday, 9 July, 2018, 8:18:00 AM IST, Raghav Kumar Dwivedula via
> Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>  Namaste
>
> Was just wondering what the smRtis etc., say about a wife's conduct towards
> husbands who are abusive and blatantly adharmic in their conduct.
>
> In one specific area at least, the dharma shAstras and the Indian
> constitution are convergent, it would seem.
>
> Please see
>
> https://www.vskills.in/certification/blog/conversion-
> as-a-ground-for-divorce-under-the-hindu-act/
>
>
>  *Conversion as a Ground for Divorce*
>
> Conversion of one of the spouses to any other religion affords a ground to
> the other spouse certain matrimonial reliefs. In this context, conversion
> means that the person has voluntarily relinquished his or her religion and
> adopted another religion after going through some formal ceremony. If a
> Hindu embraces a totally different religion, such as Christianity or Islam,
> he or she may be stated to be a convert.
>
> The party who ceases to be a Hindu by conversion cannot file a petition for
> divorce under this section. This ground can be claimed only by the other
> party[1]
> <https://www-vskills-in.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.
> vskills.in/certification/blog/conversion-as-a-ground-for-
> divorce-under-the-hindu-act/amp/?amp_js_v=0.1&usqp=mq331AQGCAEoATgB#_ftn1>
>
> In Durga Prasad Rao v Sudarshan Swammi[2]
> <https://www-vskills-in.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.
> vskills.in/certification/blog/conversion-as-a-ground-for-
> divorce-under-the-hindu-act/amp/?amp_js_v=0.1&usqp=mq331AQGCAEoATgB#_ftn2
> >,
> it was observed that in every case of conversion or reconversion to
> Hinduism, formal renunciation of religion or performance of expiatory
> ceremony is not essential. Therefore whether the conversion or reconversion
> took place is a question of fact.
>
> The Hindu marriage act has proposed two conditions when conversion as a
> ground for divorce can be invoked, these are
>
>   - That the respondent has ceased to follow the faith of Hinduism, that
>   is he is no longer a Hindu
>   - That the respondent has converted to another religion that is a
>   non-Hindu faith.
>
> This ground for divorce has been included in the Hindu Marriage Act only
> for the purpose of circumventing the provision of S.494 of Indian Penal
> Code, 1860.[3]
> <https://www-vskills-in.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.
> vskills.in/certification/blog/conversion-as-a-ground-for-
> divorce-under-the-hindu-act/amp/?amp_js_v=0.1&usqp=mq331AQGCAEoATgB#_ftn3>
> Conversion
> to Islam by a Hindu spouse per se does not lead to divorce, but it only
> give a right to the other spouse to file a petition for divorce under
> S.13(1)(ii)
>
>
> Om
>
>
>
> On Mon 9 Jul, 2018, 7:06 AM Divya Meedin via Advaita-l, <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for your invaluable inputs, Subrahmanian-ji, Aditya-ji, and
> > Sadananda-ji.
> >
> > Namaste
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 8:29 PM, kuntimaddi sadananda via Advaita-l <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >
> > > PraNAms
> > > The essential idea in all these is the love of the spouse is not based
> on
> > > the external physical aspects at the body and sense level. They are
> tuned
> > > to the intellectual and emotional and perhaps to the spiritual aspects
> of
> > > their spouses. vrata is austerity and pati - vraata is austerity with
> the
> > > mind fully tuned towards a single goal - in this case for bhaarya who
> > > depends on bhartha - the goal for her is set in her mind. The other
> > > physical or comforts in terms of wealth etc are impertinent here. Those
> > > whose minds are tuned in that way can attain the highest is the
> essential
> > > theme since their minds are not dissipated by the physical aspects
> which
> > > are perishable and other possessions that God may be endowed. The lady
> in
> > > question is able to look though beyond the external to see inner beauty
> > and
> > > hence she could identify her husband. The same story is there in Nala
> > > Damayanti also. It is easier for a wife to see and recognize Iswara in
> > the
> > > heart of her husband than in other beings as her mind withdraws from
> > > external sense appeal.  The inner vision or seeing the inner beauty
> > > becomes essential steps towards evolution. Satyakaama story that
> involves
> > > his mother is also what was implied.
> > > This is how I look at it.
> > > Hari Om!Sadananda
> > >
> > >
> > >    On Sunday, July 8, 2018, 10:38:15 AM EDT, Aditya Kumar via
> Advaita-l <
> > > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >  Namaste,
> > > This is quite interesting because this is all about devotion. I used to
> > > wonder why men or women would be devoted to their spouses. I even felt
> > that
> > > it is impossible to have such mental and physical devotion/fidelity to
> > > their partners. As I was one day flipping through the great
> Mahabharatha
> > of
> > > Vyasa, I stumbled upon the story of Chyavan and Sukanya. Sukanya hails
> > from
> > > a royal lineage whereas Chyavana from a Brahman lineage. Due to some
> > > strange circumstances (you may refer Mahabharatha for details) they get
> > > married.
> > > One day the Ashwini devatas behold the beauty of Sukanya and express
> > their
> > > interest in her. Chyavan was old and frail, due to his age and
> > austerities.
> > > The gods reason with Sukanya - Behold us, the handsome gods and your
> > > husband is an old person! In spite of it, Sukanya refuses to give in.
> > > Whether is it because of the fear of dharma/adharma or anything is
> > unknown.
> > > Could not make out from the narrative. But it seems like some people
> are
> > > naturally more devoted than others. Of purified mind, of good lineage,
> > > people tend to be more devoted. Others may be a bit lower, that is they
> > may
> > > give in when circumstances change. The lowest of them are by nature not
> > > devoted and always indulge in promiscuity. The gods make another offer
> to
> > > her, that they will make her husband equal to them. She has to choose
> > > someone blindly, whomsoever she chooses, she has to be their wife. But
> > > Sukanya recognizes her husband in spite of it and chooses Chyavana!
> > >    On Sunday, 8 July, 2018, 10:16:55 AM IST, Divya Meedin via Advaita-l
> > <
> > > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Namaste
> > >
> > > In Sundara Kaand of Vaalmiki Ramayana Sarga 24, Lokamaathaa Sita says,
> > >
> > > दीनो वा राज्यहीनो वा
> > > यो मे भर्ता स मे गुरुः ।
> > > तं नित्यमनुरक्ताऽस्मि
> > > यथा सूर्यं सुवर्चला ॥
> > >
> > > Regardless of whether he is miserable or has lost his kingdom, he, my
> > > husband, is my lord. I am always in love with him and only him, as
> > > Suvarcala is with the sun.
> > >
> > >
> > > यथा शची महाभागा
> > > शक्रं समुपतिष्ठति ।
> > > अरुन्धती वसिष्ठं च
> > > रोहिणी शशिनं यथा ।
> > > लोपामुद्रा यथाऽगस्त्यम्
> > > सुकन्या च्यवनं यथा ।
> > > सावित्री सत्यवन्तं च
> > > कपिलं श्रीमती यथा ।
> > > सौदासं मदयन्तीव
> > > केशिनी सगरं यथा ।
> > > नैषधं दमयन्तीव
> > > भैमी पतिमनुव्रता ।
> > > तथाऽहमिक्ष्वाकुवरम्
> > > रामं पतिमनुव्रता ॥
> > > Just as the blessed Ṡaci stayed bound to Ṡakra, Arundhati to Vasishṭha,
> > > Rōhiṇee to the moon, Lōpāmudrā to Agastya, Sukanyā to Cyavana, Sāvitri
> to
> > > Satyavanta, Ṡreematee to Kapila, Madayantee to Saudāsa, Kēṡinee to
> > Sagara,
> > > and
> > > just as Damayanti, the daughter of Bheema, religiously followed
> > Naishadha,
> > > I
> > > follow my husband Rāma, the foremost of Ikshwākus.
> > >
> > >
> > > I require some help in learning more about the stories of these great
> > > *Pativrataas.*
> > >
> > > I have already come across the Sukanyā-Cyavana Upaakhyaanam, and the
> > > Sāvitri-Satyavanta
> > > Upaakhyaanaam in Srimad Devi Bhaagavatam.
> > >
> > > Could the esteemed members point me to resources containing the stories
> > of
> > > (1)  Ṡaci-Ṡakra
> > > (2)  Arundhati-Vasishṭha
> > > (3)  Rōhiṇee-Chandra
> > > (4)  Lōpāmudrā-Agastya
> > > (5)  Ṡreematee-Kapila
> > > (6)  Madayantee-Saudāsa
> > > (7)  Kēṡinee-Sagara
> > > (8)  Damayanti-Naishadha
> > > (9)  Suvarchala-Surya
> > >
> > > Would be grateful for any guidance.
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