[Advaita-l] Trimurtis and aAll gods are mere forms of one Brahman - Shankara

[Raghav Kumar Dwivedula]

On Sat 7 Jul, 2018, 2:08 PM H S Chandramouli, <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namaste Raghav Ji,
>
> There is absolutely no doubt that the status of HiraNyagarbha is attained
> as the phala of karma and upAsana in the previous birth/s. This is in the
> Bhashya BUB itself. I am not sure if I have said anything to the contrary.
> Not to my knowledge.
>
> Kanchi Mahaperiava also has mentioned in Daivattin Kural about Hanuman
> attaining the status of HiraNyagarbha later.
>
> In the preamble to the BU 1-4, Sri Bhagavatpada has explained that the
> highest status that a sAdhaka can get through karma/upAsana is that of
> HiraNyagarbha. Even higher status can be obtained through jnAna which is
> the subject matter of the remaining portion of BU. Sri Bhagavatpada also
> explains how HiraNyagarbha gets to attain jnAna without a Guru in BUB
> 1-4-2. It is not that “Otherwise, atleast in principle, any jIva can get
> GYAnam all by himself. “. Actually as a rule no jIva can get jnAna all by
> himself. Only in exceptional  cases this is found. The reasons thereof
> also need to be understood on a case by case basis rather than on a general
> rule.
>
> I have just given reference to where answers can be found to your queries.
> I have not reproduced the same here. I hope this is ok with you.
>
> Your response was not addressed to the Forum. It was addressed only to me.
> I have accordingly replied only to your ID.
>
> Regards
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 1:35 PM, Raghav Kumar Dwivedula <
> raghavkumar00 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Namaste Chandramouli ji
>> I have heard Pujya Swami Dayananda Saraswati ji say that hiraNyagarbha
>> status awaits Sri Hanunam of Ramayana fame in the next kalpa. (Just to
>> buttress the point that hiraNyagarbha status is within the realm of karma
>> and upAsanA phala.)
>>
>> I am not sure which Purana mentions this about Hanuman.
>>
>> Also of some interest is the question -
>> If that newly born hiraNyagarbha puruSha was afflicted temporarily with
>> fear and loneliness as BU puts it, how did he "get" the GYAnam without
>> external assistance from another intelligent Being (i.e., a Guru). My
>> understanding on this question - that अरति and भय were not due to his being
>> an aGYAni like a regular jIva, rather these emotions were only residues due
>> to prArabdha. Otherwise, atleast in principle, any jIva can get GYAnam all
>> by himself. Since this is not possible, the only alternative is that like
>> vAmadeva who underwent the necessary sadhana before itself, that first born
>> Purusha too was a GYAnI with a special prArabdha to be born etc., so there
>> was no need for any fresh Upadesha etc.
>>
>> Om
>>
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>> On Sat 7 Jul, 2018, 12:41 PM H S Chandramouli, <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Namaste Raghav Ji,
>>>>
>>>> Reg << The characteristic of 'samsAritvaM being kalpitam', is common
>>>> to both
>>>> general jIvas and the special exalted jIva viz., hiraNyagarbha. So that
>>>> (samsAritvaM being kalpitaM) would not be the distinguishing
>>>> characteristic
>>>> that makes for upAsyatvaM of hiraNyagarbha. >>,
>>>>
>>>> My understanding. There is a difference between the “ kalpita
>>>> samsAritvam “ as between HiraNyagarbha and other jIvAs. HiraNyagarbha
>>>> becomes a jnAni almost immediately after birth. Other jIvAs are not so.
>>>> That is the distinguishing characteristic that makes for upAsyatvam of
>>>> HiraNyagarbha. This is broughtout in the Bhashya itself in the same place.
>>>> All jIvAs also may be Brahman only, but they are not BrahmajnAnIs because
>>>> they are not aware of their status as Brahman.
>>>>
>>>> I have kept the response very brief intentionally. Any specific issue
>>>> could be clarified by way of discussion.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>>
>