[Advaita-l] cloning and inevitable mrutyu

[Jay Kumar]

Namaste Shri Raghavji and to all,

Questioning Vedanta may appear  proper  only when the scientist claim to have produced and demonstrate an entity with self-judgement, un-programmed feelings, un-inhibited aspirations, self-complex etc. etc…. (on a futuristic day even when we will  have our purposeful answer).

Coming to the next statement :
“the question is, can we extend the privilege to still lower entities like insects (yes), viruses (doubtful), plants(yes), stones (no). But where do we draw the line?”

Answer – ‘Drawing the line’ : The precise answer is the theory of causation involving 3 types of karmas, re-birth, the ‘as though’ bondage, wisdom, liberation etc.  is applicable to the ‘beings’ that have ‘Individuality’ whereas the individuality itself is ‘unreal’!

Contradictions or clarification (if needed) can be shared over phone

S K Jayakumar
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-----Original Message-----
From: Advaita-l [mailto:advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org] On Behalf Of Raghav Kumar Dwivedula via Advaita-l
Sent: 24 April 2018 10:51
To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta
Cc: Raghav Kumar Dwivedula
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] cloning and inevitable mrutyu

Namaste

A more difficult to answer question would be of the kind - How do we decide a given entity is a jiva with sanchita karma or is it just an Android or machine which merely mimics speech, facial features etc.
I.e., a sophisticated robot ?

Any clone is generally initially cultured in vitro (i.e., in a "test tube") and later transplanted in vivo (into a uterus) and later the baby is delivered in a regular way. And given its biological/organic physiology and neuronal architecture it's quite credibly a jiva in its own right with its own sanchita karma etc. This is my understanding.

Now if we consider a futuristic android (a real android not its namesake smartphone OS !) which has a brain consisting of just electronic devices with no neuronal structures, it's does not sound believable if some people like the proponents of strong-AI claim it's a human being who has the faculties and capacities and consequently the rights of a human being.
(Others like Roger Penrose contradict this). But can we give a precise reason why an electronic entity cannot be considered a jiva with the usual faculties of iccha, GYAna, and kriya and having sanchita karma etc.

Another related question - we can talk of higher mammals like deer, cows etc., as having sanchita karma etc. Now the question is, can we extend the privilege to still lower entities like insects (yes), viruses (doubtful), plants(yes), stones (no). But where do we draw the line?

The concept of chidAbhAsa is to some extent helpful in figuring this out since it (chidAbhAsa) does indeed depend on the underlying neuronal biology and not merely on the superficial faculties of speech and motion which a robot or android can mimic.
Om
Raghav


On Tue 24 Apr, 2018, 9:17 AM Bhaskar YR via Advaita-l, < advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> praNAms Sri Sada prabhuji and Sri Venkateshwaran prabhuji Hare Krishna
>
> Thanks for the clarification.  Just wondering what would be karma / 
> dharma for these cloning creatures :-) Perhaps it is their karma phala 
> to get created through cloning technology :-)
>
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> bhaskar
>
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