[Advaita-l] Chanting Gayatri overseas
Ravi Chandrasekhara
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Wed Oct 11 08:11:25 EDT 2017
Agree with Santosh ‘s statements. Neo organizations do serve some role and I have used them but they downplay varna and believe in Veda Adhikara for all, etc.
Ravi Chandrasekhara
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> On Oct 11, 2017, at 06:39, Santosh Rao via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> Yuga darma is a reality but surely there should be an ideal to strive for
> in some capacity?
>
> Another problem today is the new agers and the "neo" offshoots of
> traditional lines have hijacked the discourse. So even if a young brahmin
> living abroad decides to get in touch with his or her "roots," the family
> more often than not will advise them to not take it so seriously, focus on
> academics instead, leaving them frustrated.
>
> Then they will google "Krishna" and be bombarded with ISKCON propaganda,
> and smiling white people dressed like saanyasis telling them tradition
> doesn't matter, just chant, no one is a Brahmin by birth, svadharma is
> useless in Kali Yuga blah blah blah, etc. And the hapless young brahmana
> may fall for it hook, line, and sinker.
>
> Meanwhile the "traditionalists" are off somewhere in some dark corner of
> the internet debating lofty philosophical concepts in Sanskrit and native
> tongues making minimal effort to connect with the youth whose attention
> they are losing every second of every day. Nothing wrong with such
> activities, but there should be a much greater effort on the part of the
> elders to engage with the youth. Most of the vedanta websites I visit that
> present the traditional views are poorly designed, dry, with very little
> content...I see lengthy videos discussing things I'd love to learn about
> but can't because there is no effort to include English subtitles...the new
> age websites on the other hand are vibrant, easily accessible, and bursting
> with flavor. Is anything being done to combat this?
>
> Namaskara,
>
> Santosh
>
> On Oct 11, 2017 2:00 AM, "D.V.N.Sarma డి.వి..ఎన్.శర్మ via Advaita-l" <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> Dear Murty,
> This is the Kaliyuga Dharma as predicted by puranas.
> Do you wnat go against the yuga dharma?
> If brahmin marries an American girl heavens are not going to fall.
> Such things were there in past. In Mahabharata Madra was not considered
> orthodox. Anga Desa also was not considered as an orthodx country.
> There was a city in which women were free to fornicate because of Agni.gave
> them a boon.
> Dhritarashtra and Pandu were born out of Devara Nyaya.
> Veda Vyasa himself was a kaanina.
> Wake up.
>
> regards,
> Sarma.
>
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:29 AM, Venkatesh Murthy via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>> Namaste
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 4:27 AM, Ravi Mayavaram via Advaita-l <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On the aside, for all those living abroad, real threat is what Ravi
>>> Chandrasekhara pointed out. A large percentage of the children of these
>>> immigrants will marry people from other religions and/or other castes.
>>> There is a high probability that the family line of dharma these
>>> immigrants may come to a grinding halt with them.
>>>
>>
>> This is the Crux of the Problem. A Brahmin X goes abroad. X's children
> will
>> marry outside of Brahminism with High Probability. By very good luck they
>> may still marry Brahmins. What about grandchildren of X? Great
>> grandchildren of X? They will have less and less restrictions than X and
>> will not listen to some old traditions of a Third World country. The
>> Probability of grandchildren and great grandchildren of X NOT marrying
> even
>> Indians is SO HIGH. X's line of descendants is doomed to become Mlecchas
> at
>> some stage. My friends THIS is the Bitter Reality the Brahmins permanently
>> staying abroad will not accept. They are Responsible for making a Brahmin
>> Line into Mleccha if not today but definitely in the future. Can they
>> accept this Reality and still live abroad?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I am convinced that only way to help them is by teaching paatanjala
>>> yoga-darshana (and rigorously when they are in high school). May be
> via
>>> yoga darshana, they may get back to other things later in their lives.
>> Even
>>> on the bhakti side, we should mean what we say. For example, never
>> dismiss
>>> phala shruti as mere arthavaadaa. That is enough to undermine it. If
>> phala
>>> shruti of Sri Vishnu Sahasranaama, says some things, then that is it.
> It
>>> is true. If we have that conviction and help other Hindus in need,
> nobody
>>> will convert to other religions.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ravi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 8, 2017, 12:03:58 PM CDT, Sujal Upadhyay via
>>> Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Namaste Sri Kalyan ji,
>>>
>>> I talked to my friend who has visited Sringeri Matha several times. He
>>> daily practises nitya karma and anusthana, that he is supposed to do as
> a
>>> Brahmin. He did not have all the answers, but honestly gave some
>> answers.
>>> I will share the same.
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. In Sringeri Matha, there is a belief that crossing ocean is not
>>> permitted.
>>> 2. Sringeri Jagadguru himself never initiated any setting up of any
>>> matha or branches in any foreign land.
>>> 3. It is the locals who wanted to practice sanAtana dharma and so kept
>>> requesting Sringeri Jagadguru many times.
>>> 4. Who actually initiated this establishment is not known to him, but
>>> according to him matha is just for administrative purpose.
>>> 5. Sringeri Jagaguru may be aware of all these happenings. He has been
>>> getting invitations for foreign travel but has declined everytime and
>> he
>>> does not intend to travel to foreign land.
>>> 6. Foreign travel should not be more than 3 days
>>> 7. Those Brahmins who trael abroad and settle there or stay for long
>>> time may return. However they are not allowed to participate in any of
>>> the
>>> yajna-s i.e. havan and vedika yagja-s organised by matha and
>> denfinitely
>>> not in the Sringeri matha itself. Only Bra
>>> h
>>> mins from Bharat are allowed to perform Yajna
>>> 8. Sringeri Jagadguru may bless anyone who approaches him but this
> does
>>> not mean that he endorses their actions. Many come with a hope to
> solve
>>> personal or material problems from Jagadguru. He may bless them but
>> this
>>> does not mean he will actually take away all their sorrows or say
>>> tathastu
>>> and fulfill their wishes.
>>> 9. He indicated that at times, Acharya remains detached and neutral
> to
>>> many activities and may bless the work as a formality
>>> . Actually it's not blessings nor it's appreciation, but just a
>>> formality.
>>>
>>>
>>> As per my understanding, Sringeri Acharya does not give upadehsas to
>> all,
>>> but to a select few. He does not give diksha to all. He will not share
>> his
>>> opinion with anyone, but may give casual instruction just to satisfy the
>>> questioner. Only to sincere seeker will he give upadesha which if
>> followed
>>> will change his life and one will surely progress on spiritual path.
> Like
>>> Ramana Maharshi, he too at times remains aloof from matha activities,
>> like
>>> Sri Chandrashekara Bharathi Swami ji, the guru of Sri Abhinav
> Vidyatirhta
>>> Swami ji.
>>>
>>> Regarding degradation of Brahmins, my friend too is worried and he is
>> also
>>> sad that western Hindus actively defend attacks on dharma but not much
> is
>>> done by traditionalists.
>>>
>>>
>>> As far as I am concerned, I am not on any side, neverthless foreign
>> travel
>>> is happening. We are doing business with them. We import and export
>> goods.
>>> So their money comes to us. So with it comes their samskAra-s, the
>>> vibrations. We are in a particular situation as described by other
>> members.
>>> So just curious about future and what steps traditional Brahmins are
>> taking
>>> to arrest this trend.
>>>
>>>
>>> There are dharma and punishments that changes with time. For some sin,
>>> these days it is not possible to donate 9 cows and one bullock as
>>> repentance or punishment. However there are some things that should not
>> be
>>> changed. If certain rules are pivotal for spiritual progress to realise
>>> Atman, they should not be compromised. Maybe ban on foreign travel is
> one
>>> of them or may be not. I can't judge.
>>>
>>>
>>> If I have stretched too much. Maybe I should give myself a break.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hari OM
>>>
>>> Sujal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 9:31 PM, D.V.N.Sarma డి.వి.ఎన్.శర్మ via Advaita-l
>> <
>>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does somebody 's approval disapproval
>>>> of marrying outside hindu fold
>>>> make a difference?
>>>> Suppose one disapproves what can he do?
>>>>
>>>> Puranas have already predicted
>>>> that
>>>> in Kaliyuga
>>>>
>>>> all the
>>>> earlier
>>>> norms will be broken. They ha
>>>> ve
>>>> said that this is *Yuga Dharma*.
>>>> That means that *for this age this is the dharma*. Why do we hanker
>>> for
>>>> Kritayuga dharma in Kali. Is it not wrong to do so.
>>>> Is there not a motive behind such a desire? This I think is due to
>>>> mechanisms of vested interests
>>>>
>>>> Every age has a dharma. That dharma evolves slowly in order to keep
> the
>>>> society at that time in order.
>>>> The modern human society is also slowly evolving its own dharma. The
>>> modern
>>>> Hindu society also will do the
>>>> same. I do not think that any of us can stop it.
>>>>
>>>> Vidura has described the highest dharma as
>>>> "Do not do to others those things, when done by others pain your mind"
>>>> He said that this is the supreme dharma. Can there be any higher
>>> authority
>>>> for dharma.
>>>> than the incarnation of Yamadharmaraja himself.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> regards,
>>>> Sarma.
>>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards
>>
>> -Venkatesh
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