[Advaita-l] Chanting Gayatri overseas

[Venkatesh Murthy]

Namaste
On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Kalyan via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Subbuji,
>
> I appreciate your liberal and practical outlook.
>
> But as far as crossing the ocean is concerned, what applies to any
> brAhmaNa also applies to the Sringeri Acharya. So if there are "vibrant
> Hindu communities with Vedic knowledge" in distant lands, what prevents the
> AchArya from going there physically? Perhaps because he knows that it is
> prohibited. If it is prohibited for him, same for others.
>
> So, your arguments don't really sound convincing.
>

The ocean crossing prohibition is only for a person practicing Varna and
Ashrama Dharma. Even for him there is a Prayaschitta after coming back. For
others like Caarvaaka Materialists there is no ban. A person in Varna
Ashrama Dharma can take decision to A - go abroad and do Prayaschitta after
coming back or B - not go abroad. It is his decision and we cannot question
it.
Sanyasa also comes under Ashrama Dharma only. A Sanyasi can take his own
decision. We cannot question it.



>
> Regards
> Kalyan
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Sun, 10/8/17, V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Chanting Gayatri overseas
>  To: "Kalyan" <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com>
>  Cc: "कुवँर बिपिन चौहान" <bipinchauhan7 at gmail.com>, "A discussion group
> for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>, "Raghav Kumar
> Dwivedula" <raghavkumar00 at gmail.com>, "Vēdānta Study Group" <
> vedant.study at gmail.com>
>  Date: Sunday, October 8, 2017, 3:25 AM
>
>
>
>  On Sun,
>  Oct 8, 2017 at 8:21 AM, Kalyan <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com>
>  wrote:
>  //Also is
>  important to keep in mind what Shankara has said in the BGB:
>  even if one is proficient in all shāstra-s, if he has not
>  acquired knowledge according to the sampradāya, his views
>  are to be rejected as those of a fool.//
>
>
>
>
>
>  Subbuji, I think you have a very unhealthy tendency to label
>  everyone as an asAmpradAyavit or a fool very easily. I think
>  you should curb this tendency. You very easily behave as if
>  you are the only gatekeeper of sAmpradAya.
>
>  Kalyan ji,
>  I can understand your predicament
>  and why you are piques by this.
>
>  And stop selectively quoting Shankara bhAshyas. Sistachara
>  does not replace Shruti.
>  It is not replacement of shruti but
>  the method of application of
>  shruti.  The
>  bhAshya on Br. Up. 1.3.10 is quite emphatic that one must
>  not travel to foreign lands. Similar views are found in
>  other dharmashastras quoted by others here. It is these,
>  that the Sringeri Acharya has violated.
>
>  Yukti is important in understanding
>  and application of such statements. Supposing a group of ten
>  or twenty families of vedic knowledge settle down in a
>  'new' place, how is it going to affect the spirit of
>  the shruti or dharma shastra statements? It is the spirit of
>  those pronouncements that has to be kept in mind: what
>  effect will the 'alien' environment have on the
>  dharm. If this is adequately taken care of, where is the
>  problem? All the dangers of the alien environment adversely
>  affecting the dharmi are happily available in this land
>  also. A son or a daughter of a parama vaidika going astray
>  is not uncommon in our own society, family, etc. It is this
>  spirit that has to be understood from the shruti and dharma
>  shastra.  We have a verse: Ishwara recognizes the intent,
>  the heart, of the bhakta/aspirant, and not the outward
>  accessories. Thus, there is absolutely no violation that you
>  think of by the Sringeri Acharya. When he blessed the event
>  in the US, there is already a vibrant establishment, a huge
>  settlement of people versed in the Vedas. There are already
>  temples in the US for the last several decades, veda
>  teaching going on, vaidika karma-s happening. Those adhering
>  to that are all not asura-s, a great number of saattvika-s
>  are also there. Just as everyone in this land is not a
>  sattvika. It is this spirit that is recognized by the
>  Acharya when he blessed the event and supports the
>  establishment.
>  All
>  this exactly happens when southerners go and settle in the
>  northern part of India. There are many glaring conflicts in
>  the conduct, achara of the two groups. Yet southerners have
>  built up a community of their own there over time and
>  happily adhere to their own, native, achara-s. Thus a
>  foreign land can be there even within this country and all
>  depends on how one tactfully applies the  shruti/dharma
>  shastra. regardssubbu
>
>
>
>  Regards
>
>  Kalyan
>
>
>
>
>
>  ------------------------------ --------------
>
>  On Sun, 10/8/17, V Subrahmanian
>  <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
>  wrote:
>
>
>
>   Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Chanting Gayatri overseas
>
>   To: "कुवँर बिपिन
>  चौहान" <bipinchauhan7 at gmail.com>
>
>   Cc: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta"
>  <advaita-l at lists.advaita-
>  vedanta.org>, "Raghav Kumar Dwivedula"
>  <raghavkumar00 at gmail.com>,
>  "Kalyan" <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com>,
>  "Vēdānta Study Group" <vedant.study at gmail.com>
>
>   Date: Sunday, October 8, 2017, 2:36 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   On Sat,
>
>   Oct 7, 2017 at 8:05 PM, कुवँर बिपिन
>
>   चौहान <bipinchauhan7 at gmail.com>
>
>   wrote:
>
>   Namaste
>
>   !
>
>
>
>   Please desh, kaal, stithi
>
>   ke pare hai paralukik yeh purntah galat hai ki gayatri
>
>   jambudwip se bahar uccahran kari jaye.
>
>
>
>   Tark sansarik mat hai anytha sab neti neti
>
>   hai.
>
>
>
>   Yeh spasht hai ki
>
>   gayatri ji gupt hain
>
>
>
>   https://www.facebook.com/shrim
>
>   ahakaleshwar/posts/84314980578 5998
>
>
>
>   My guru batuk shastri (Brahmnal, Varanasi)
>
>   always says it's next to impossible we go against
>  shastr
>
>   on anyway.
>
>
>
>   Simple question: Is the
>
>   Jagadguru of Sringeri wrong in blessing the SVBF
>  initiative
>
>   in Pennsylvania?
>
>
>
>   Answer: I
>
>   bipin chauhan on behalf of Eternal Law declared it
>  totally
>
>   wrong.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   Which text are you referring to by
>
>   the above name?
>
>
>
>
>
>   For this
>
>   my Guru ke Guru Swami Karpatri fight/ shastrath with
>  madan
>
>   mohan malviya that Widow marriage is not possible the
>  fool
>
>   vaishya kul empire goenka say as per shastr Swami
>  Karpatri
>
>   ji right but malviya is also not wrong due to desh kal
>
>   stithi shloka of gita ji.
>
>
>
>   I
>
>   know Jagadguru Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamiji but
>  ignorance
>
>   or will of Brahman all this happen because Bharat unable
>  to
>
>   follow
>
>
>
>   https://hi.wikipedia.org/wiki/
>
>   %E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A4%BE%E0
>
>   %A4%A8%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%B6%E0%A4
>
>   %BE%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%A8 from long ago.
>
>
>
>   In the Taittiriyopaniṣat 1.11.3 we
>
>   have:
>
>
>
>   अथ
>
>   यदि ते
>  कर्मविचिकित्सा
>
>   वा वृत्तविचिकित्सा
>  वा
>
>   स्यात् ॥ ३ ॥ ये तत्र
>
>   ब्राह्मणाः
>
>   संमर्शिनः । युक्ता
>
>   आयुक्ताः । अलूक्षा
>
>   धर्मकामाः स्युः ।
>  यथा
>
>   ते तत्र वर्तेरन् ।
>  तथा
>
>   तत्र
>
>   वर्तेथाः । Shankara
>
>   says:  अथ
>
>   एवं वर्तमानस्य यदि
>
>   कदाचित् ते तव श्रौते
>
>   स्मार्ते वा कर्मणि
>
>   वृत्ते
>  वा आचारलक्षणे विचिकित्सा
>
>   संशयः स्यात् भवेत् ,
>  ये
>
>   तत्र तस्मिन्देशे
>  काले
>
>   वा ब्राह्मणाः तत्र
>
>   कर्मादौ युक्ता इति
>
>   व्यवहितेन सम्बन्धः
>
>   कर्तव्यः ; संमर्शिनः
>
>   विचारक्षमाः,
>  युक्ताः
>
>   अभियुक्ताः, कर्मणि
>
>   वृत्ते वा आयुक्ताः
>
>   अपरप्रयुक्ताः,
>
>   अलूक्षाः अरूक्षाः
>
>   अक्रूरमतयः,
>  धर्मकामाः
>
>   अदृष्टार्थिनः
>
>   अकामहता इत्येतत् ;
>
>   स्युः भवेयुः, ते
>
>   ब्राह्मणाः यथा येन
>
>   प्रकारेण तत्र
>
>   तस्मिन्कर्मणि
>  वृत्ते
>
>   वा वर्तेरन् , तथा
>
>   त्वमपि वर्तेथाः ।
>
>
>
>   If one
>
>   gets a doubt as to how to conduct oneself on a
>  particular
>
>   issue, he must do as those brāhmaṇa-s who live in
>  that
>
>   place or time who practice dharma and are intent on
>
>   adṛṣṭa, not given to desire, who are not given to
>
>   anger....do.
>
>   Sureshwaracharya too does not say
>
>   anything different in the Taittiriya Bhāṣya Vārtika
>  for
>
>   this.
>
>
>
>   Sāyaṇāchārya for this mantra
>
>   says:  vṛtta, conduct, means
>  'kula-paramparāgataḥ
>
>   laukikaḥ ācāraḥ. ' That pertaining to his own
>
>   family, lineage, etc. worldly conduct. There can be doubt
>  as
>
>   to this too, for one sees conduct like 'marrying
>
>   one's maternal daughter, eating meat, etc. A person
>
>   might get a doubt as to these issues too. In that case,
>  he
>
>   has to be guided by the practices of noble persons who
>  live
>
>   in that place, at that time, where this person
>
>   lives.
>
>   So it is very
>
>   clear that in the matter of conduct, dharma, there
>  can't
>
>   be any 'eternal' law; it is essentially decided
>  by
>
>   desha and kāla.  That is exactly what Shankara has said
>  in
>
>   the Brahma sutra bhashya. All that the Veda or he
>  himself
>
>   has said elsewhere has to be understood in the light of
>  this
>
>   statement of Shankara and the Taittiriyopanishat. Also,
>  one
>
>   can see the other element that I had highlighted: it is
>  the
>
>   adherence to yama (akrodha, etc.) that gains supremacy
>  over
>
>   niyama. The Taittiriya says: those brahmanas who are
>  not
>
>   given to krodha, kāma, etc. as Shankara has
>  highlighted.
>
>   Dharma differs from place to place, time to time.
>
>
>
>
>   The
>
>   maṭhāmānya that you seem to refer to does not say
>
>   anything about the topic.  So, your own ignorance or
>
>   whatever, you are trying to superimpose on the
>  Jagadguru.
>
>   Also is important to keep in mind what Shankara has said
>  in
>
>   the BGB: even if one is proficient in all shāstra-s, if
>  he
>
>   has not acquired knowledge according to the sampradāya,
>  his
>
>   views are to be rejected as those of a fool. The view
>  you
>
>   have expressed does not bear the kind of sampradāya
>  that
>
>   Shankara has adhered to as is evident in his
>
>   bhāṣya.
>
>
>
>   regardssubrahmanian.v
>
>
>
>   Anyway
>
>   Ram
>
>
>
>
>
>   On 7
>
>   October 2017 at 10:23, Raghav Kumar Dwivedula via
>  Advaita-l
>
>   <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedan
>
>   ta.org> wrote:
>
>   That's
>
>   an excellent bhAShya reference, Subbu ji,  on how
>  dharma
>
>   can
>
>
>
>   definitely be reinterpreted by shiShTa-s in keeping with
>  the
>
>   present desha
>
>
>
>   and kAla. No doubt it's not a licence to say,
>  anything
>
>   goes. We have to
>
>
>
>   cautiously move on.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   But to say that all NRI brahmins are patita-s as long
>  as
>
>   they are based
>
>
>
>   abroad seems untenable.
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>   Om
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>   Raghav
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Regards

-Venkatesh