[Advaita-l] prayAshchitaM for sAvitribhraShTAH

[Rajesh Benjwal]

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Thanks, Venkatraghavanji for your suggestion.

I just checked Apasthambha sUtra and found अतिक्रान्ते सावित्रया: काल ऋतुं
त्रैविद्यकं ब्रह्मचर्यं चरेत्।Means If the proper time for Savitri has
passed, one shall observe the duties practiced by students familiar with
tri-vidyA for a whole Ritu.

Looks convincing, let me check it with some Acarya, if I am taking the
right meaning, who follows Apasthambha sUtra.


Thanks

On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 6:07 PM, Venkatraghavan S <agnimile at gmail.com> wrote:

> Namaste Sri Rajesh ji,
>
> I have not come across a differentiation between prAyashchitta for not
> having upanayanam after 20, 21 and 22 years respectively. However, if such
> a classification is per your understanding, then that is fine.
>
> The book sankshepa dharma shAstram (a tamil work, which is a summary of
> vaidyAnAtha dIkshitIyam) quotes a few sources - manusmriti, smrityartha
> sAra Apasthambha dharma sUtra and vasiShTha dharma sUtra. Essentially, the
> same prAyashchitta is suggested for a brAhmin aged over 16 years, kshatriya
> over 22 years and vaishya over 24 years. After mentioning the prAyashcitta
> given in the vasiShTha dharma sUtra, the book says (translated from tamil) -
>
> "Apastambha also has suggested a prAyashcitta - Consult elders for a
> prAyashcitta. Some say that upanayanam can be conducted after giving plenty
> of dakshiNA and dAna."
>
> You may want to check what smrityartha sAra and Apasthambha sUtra say.
>
> Regards
> Venkatraghavan
>
>
> On 5 Nov 2017 4:49 a.m., "Rajesh Benjwal" <rbenjwal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> .Thanks Venkatraghavanji,
>
> If you have crossed 20 years but not 21 then ashvamedha avabhrita is prAyaschitta
> but as per अश्वमेधं_गवालम्भं_सन्न्यासं_पलपैत्रिकम् |
> देवराच्च_सुतोत्पत्तिः_कलौ_पंच_विवर्जयेत् || this is not possible in
> kaliyuga.
>
> If you have crossed 21 but not 22 years then there is uddAlaka vratam.
>
> After 23 there is only the vrAtyastoma.
>
> Same time prAyaschitta for upapAtaka should be as per capacity of the
> person and in kaliyuga these prAyaschittas are out of capacity. Removing prAyaschittas
> totally will be another extreme. There is a possibility to create tryavarA
> of one RRigvedIn one yajurvedIn one sAmavedIn and put the problem in front
> of them. The prAyaschitta decided by them will be acceptable. So we
> looking for this tryavarA, and let them decide the prAyaschittam.
>
> Thanks again for your Help.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 11:22 PM, Venkatraghavan S via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>> In uddAlaka vratam, I missed one step - after half a month on curd, 8 days
>> on ghee, then six days on food received without seeking. The rest is the
>> same.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Venkatraghavan
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 5:41 PM, Venkatraghavan S <agnimile at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Namaste Sri Rajesh ji,
>> > I concur with Sri Subrahmanian ji - but since you want shAstra vihita
>> > prAyaschitta, please refer vashiShTha dharmasUtra 11.75-11.79
>> >
>> > http://www.hinduonline.co/vedicreserve/kalpa/dharma/
>> > vasishtha_dharma_sutra.pdf
>> >
>> > The options offered are:
>> > 1) uddAlaka vratam - for two months he should live on barley gruel
>> > (yAvaka), one month on milk, half a month on curd, six days on food
>> > received without being asked for, three days on water, and fast for one
>> day
>> > and night
>> > 2) ashvamedha avabhrita - participate in the ritual bath at the end of
>> the
>> > ashvamedha
>> > 3) vrAtyastoma
>> >
>> > Whether these options are possible I do not know, but I do feel for the
>> > boys. Hope you find some way forward.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Venkatraghavan
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 11:16 AM, Rajesh Benjwal via Advaita-l <
>> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> You are correct Subrahmanianji,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> My concern is we do not know what Shankaracaryaji saw in that
>> particular
>> >> person and allowed him. If any Jagadguru says that there is no need to
>> >> perform any prAyashchita karma for sAvitribhraShTAH then it is
>> acceptable
>> >> but when someone allow to an individual who has come to him then this
>> is a
>> >> different thing. There are some sAstra pramAnam that bleesing of the
>> >> siddha
>> >> purusha is enough to remove your dosham.  So having blessing of such a
>> >> person is equal to a prAyashchita karma.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 4:07 PM, V Subrahmanian <
>> v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Rajesh Benjwal <rbenjwal at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>  Namaste Subrahmanianji,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks for your help.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In our Gurukula we follow sastras strictly, if we are looking for an
>> >> >> alternate then again there must be some sastra pramanam in favour of
>> >> it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > I understand your concern. Śiṣṭāchāra or their upādesha is also a
>> >> pramana.
>> >> >
>> >> > regards
>> >> >
>> >> >
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