[Advaita-l] Fwd: Rama and Krishna are Jiva-s - Mahabharata

[Praveen R. Bhat]

Reposting two mails written to Kalyanji, that I somehow missed sending the
list! Apologies.


On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 9:59 PM, Praveen R. Bhat <bhatpraveen at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namaste Kalyanji,,
>
> On 24 May 2017 9:48 pm, "Kalyan" <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > For your third point, the idea that Vishnu is Ishwara is present in the
> upanishads (narayana suktam). If it were not present, even Shankara would
> not have accepted. So the vaishnavas are well justified in calling
> themselves as vedantins. Shaivas too would be similarly justified.
>
> For one, Vishnu being Ishvara in the Upanishad does not lead to conclusion
> that Vishnu gives mukti.
>
> And for another, if you insist that it does and also say that so does
> Shiva, then the logical explanation would be that they are one and the same
> or the common basis among them is to be inquired into.
>
> gurupAdukAbhyAm,
> --Praveen
>

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On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Praveen R. Bhat <bhatpraveen at gmail.com>
 wrote:

> Namaste Kalyanji,
>
> ​On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 10:06 PM, Kalyan <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I am not sure how to respond to your post, since I am only putting
>> forward the position of other schools.
>
> ​If you can't defend them, they may not be the doctrine. Pls. remember
> that this is in the context of calling other deities as jIva, etc.
>
> Just as advaitins call themselves as vedantins, vaishnavas and shaivas are
>> also justified in doing so.
>
> Maybe, but not by depending on non-Upanishad texts.​
>
> I believe your questions are better directed to Vaishnavas or Shaivas,
>> rather than to me.
>>
> ​Fair enough, but ​the question was asked only because you quoted their
> criticism as based on their doctrine.
>
> I will reply to your post on the Atman's avidya, after some time.
>>
> ​
> ​Sure​. I'll likely be slow to respond, since Wed is the only somewhat of
> a day-off for me.
>
> Kind rgds,
> --Praveen R. Bhat
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