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Wed May 24 10:43:46 EDT 2017

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//
You have not answered my straightforward question, "what is your purpose for being on this list?" //

I will answer this question if only to reduce your anger. But before answering, let me make a small point. In my introductory message itself I made it very clear that I am not a traditional vedAntin. Refer below link -

http://lists.advaita-vedanta.org/archives/advaita-l/2017-February/044615.html

So the moderators admitted me into the list, knowing fully well that I am not a traditional advaitin.

Now to answer your question - I joined this list to understand how traditional advaitins are convinced of the truth of their philosophy, in the light of what I see as unresolvable questions and contradictions in advaita.

Now I hope your question is answered. I have infact not written any post here where I personally attacked any member of this forum. I expect similar behavior from your side.

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On Wed, 5/24/17, Vidyasankar Sundaresan <svidyasankar at gmail.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Fwd: Rama and Krishna are Jiva-s - Mahabharata
To: "Kalyan" <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Venkata sriram P" <venkatasriramp at yahoo.in>, "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Date: Wednesday, May 24, 2017, 2:22 PM

That's
rich, Kalyan. If you think you are provoking me by
repeatedly bringing up my being a moderator here, you're
not. You're merely proving that you're a
curmudgeon.
You have not
answered my straightforward question, "what is your
purpose for being on this list?" Others, who are not
moderators of this list, have asked you the same question
and you have yet to answer that. You had better find a way
to answer that and decide for yourself whether you want to
contribute productively or if you simply want to shoot and
scoot.
Vidyasankar

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at
9:39 AM, Kalyan <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com>
wrote:

Calm
down. Just because you are the moderator you cannot write
abusive messages. I have merely presented the facts from
Shankara bhAshyas. I have not invented anything on my own.
There is no need to get so angry. There is no need to
develop a visceral hatred for me.

On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 6:44 PM,
Vidyasankar Sundaresan <svidyasankar at gmail.com>
wrote:

Oh,
come off it. You know, sometimes it's better to keep
quiet and be thought a fool than to say something and remove
all doubt. It's a pity that you've been repeatedly
choosing the latter option.
Once
again, what is your purpose in being on a list that is
dedicated to traditional advaita vedAnta if you have a poor
opinion of everyone from Adi Sankara down? Just to exhibit
some bravado daring the moderators to throw you
out?
Vidyasankar
On May 24, 2017 7:44 AM,
"Kalyan" <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com>
wrote:
//The
criticism of these other schools centers around the fact
that none of them are independent means to moksha. The same
Sankara also accepts whatever is right and good in these
other schools, subject to agreement with the aupanishada
teachings.//

Once
again, reality is different from the above. In BSB 2.2.32,
Shankara summarily dismisses the entire Bauddha school. He
further says that either the Buddha is a man who makes
incoherent assertions or has hatred for all beings. This,
despite the fact that Shankara himself acknowledges the
closeness of his school with that of the Buddhists in his
Mandukya karika bhashya!

On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 4:13 PM,
Vidyasankar Sundaresan <svidyasankar at gmail.com>
wrote:

The
criticism of these other schools centers around the fact
that none of them are independent means to moksha. The same
Sankara also accepts whatever is right and good in these
other schools, subject to agreement with the aupanishada
teachings.
SrutyanusAra-ananusAra
vishaya-vivecanena sanmArge prajnA sangrahaNIyA, and
paramatam apratishiddham anumataM bhavati, he
says.
In contrast,
bhakti towards a particular form of ISvara is a key step in
the jnAnamArga of advaita vedAnta, provided people don't
get caught up in the ridiculous my God is better than your
God attitude. Unfortunately, this is a trap that many
vaishNavas and Saivas find very difficult to
avoid.
Once again, rather than get caught
up in superficialities, please pay attention to the details.
There is a huge amount of material in our own list archives
as a starting point. That is, if one can put resentment
aside and read with an open mind.
Vidyasankar
On
May 24, 2017 4:49 AM, "Kalyan via Advaita-l"
<advaita-l at lists.advaita-
vedanta.org> wrote:
//Here lies the greatness of we
advaitins that we never criticise any path and take
everyone in our own stride and move on....//

Sri Venkata Sriram, Shankara has criticized mimamsa, nyaya,
samkhya, yoga, vaiseshika, bauddha, jaina, pashupata,
pancaratra, carvaka philosophers in his commentaries. To say
that advaitins do not criticize anybody is far removed from
reality.

RegardsKalyan

On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 1:28 PM, Venkata sriram P
via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-
vedanta.org> wrote:

Namaste,

////

Appayya Dikshitha probably has not studied the entire
Mahabharata.

In Shanti parvan, when Vishnu shows his Vishwaroopa to
Narada

///

Those who are making furore over the मन्दत्व
of अप्पय दीक्षितः, why don't
they raise

objections to the remark of वेदान्त
देशिकः when he makes a remark against
दक्षिणामुर्तिः

vide shloka no. 7 of his हयग्रीव
स्तोत्रं :

दाक्षिण्यरम्या
गिरिशस्य मूर्तिः देवी
सरोजासन धर्मपत्नी ।

व्यासादयोऽपि
व्यपदेश्यवाचः
स्फुरन्ति सर्वे तव
शक्तिलेशैः ॥ ७॥

"the pretty south-faced Ishwara (dakshinamurti), Devi
Saraswati and Bhagavan Badarayana -

all three draw their power of Knowledge from Lord
Hayagriva"

Granted that these compositions show one's devotion to
personal deity but is it not blasphemous

to say that the Dakshinamurti who taught the essence of
vedanta to great brahmanishtaas thru

silence draws His knowledge thru Hayagriva. The greatness
of dakshinamurti is stated in Bhagavata Purana

itself in 4th chapter. Having seated in 'mahAyOga'
rUpa 'vaTavrikSa', demonstrates the
'chinmudra' and dispels

the doubts to sages.

Now, should we advaitins conclude that Vedanta Desika
didn't study any shastras and was

ignorant of the dakshinamurti-tattva? Certainly not.
Here lies the greatness of we advaitins

that we never criticise any path and take everyone in our
own stride and move on....

Advaitins are broad-minded and that is why it has become
more popular and

more acceptable today by great logicians and
philanthropists.

regs,

sriram

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