[Advaita-l] Who is Ishwara? He is NARAYANA only. Beautiful and soothing Narayana Bhajan
Venkatraghavan S
agnimile at gmail.com
Sun May 21 12:22:18 EDT 2017
Namaste,
Please answer my question first and I'd be glad to try and answer your
questions, to the extent I am able to.
Regards,
Venkatraghavan
On 21 May 2017 5:15 p.m., "Kalyan" <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com> wrote:
Namaste
I just asked a straightforward question. I am surprised that rather than
answering the question, people are finding one excuse or the other to avoid
answering.
Regards
Kalyan
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On Sun, 5/21/17, Venkatraghavan S <agnimile at gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Who is Ishwara? He is NARAYANA only. Beautiful
and soothing Narayana Bhajan
To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-
vedanta.org>, "Kalyan" <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Vidyasankar Sundaresan" <svidyasankar at gmail.com>
Date: Sunday, May 21, 2017, 4:06 PM
Namaste,
What is it that you are seeking to achieve here? There
are answers to your questions available, but your purpose in
asking them, in this manner, is unknown.
If all you are seeking is a reaction, then there
is no merit in answering them. If there is a genuine need to
know, then the manner in which you have asked your questions
is a serious obstacle to that aim, which you must
overcome.
Regards,Venkatraghavan
On 21 May 2017 4:10
p.m., "Kalyan via Advaita-l" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
wrote:
I am
amused Vidyasankar. How could your warning have come sooner
when I write only occasionally on the list?
I think this list is a coterie, but I have no plans to quit
on my own since I am only an occasional participant.
Now moving on to your answer to my main question- If I know
myself as nirvishesha Atman, I am no longer an ignoramus.
But who was I before I gained this knowledge? Wasn't I
the Atman? Isn't the Atman then the biggest ignoramus?
Moreover, you and I are both the One and same Atman. Why
does my knowledge automatically not lead to your knowledge?
After all, being the same entity, we both sink and swim
together. Why do we both have to separately strive for
liberation?
Best Regards
Kalyan
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On Sun, 5/21/17, Vidyasankar Sundaresan <svidyasankar at gmail.com>
wrote:
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Who is Ishwara? He is NARAYANA
only. Beautiful and soothing Narayana Bhajan
To: "Kalyan" <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com>
Cc: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta"
<advaita-l at lists.advaita-
vedanta.org>
Date: Sunday, May 21, 2017, 2:47 PM
If you knew that, Kalyan, you
should agree that this comes much later, rather than
sooner. And if you think this list forms a coterie that
excludes you, the decision about what comes next is
yours.
Best
regards,Vidyasankar
On May 21, 2017 10:07
AM, "Kalyan" <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com>
wrote:
Vidyasankar
I knew you would warn me sooner or later. This list is
meant
for a coterie of a few. A mutual admiration society, I
should say. If somebody does not fall in line, he or she
is
out.
Now do whatever you want to do as the moderator.
Regards
Kalyan
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On Sun, 5/21/17,
Vidyasankar Sundaresan <svidyasankar at gmail.com>
wrote:
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Who is Ishwara? He is NARAYANA
only. Beautiful and soothing Narayana Bhajan
To: "A discussion group for Advaita
Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-
vedanta.org>,
"Kalyan" <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com>
Date: Sunday, May 21, 2017, 10:34 AM
Kalyan, I have a two part
answer for you. The first is as an individual
responding
to
you. The second is as a moderator of this list.
If you know yourself as nirguNa, nirviSesha, then
you are no longer an ignoramus. If you know yourself as
any
other, then you are the biggest ignoramus. Yet,
whatever
little you know in your ignorance is only through the
light
of your own self. Therefore, this nirguNa nirviSesha
self
is
described as the paraMjyoti.
That said, watch your language and your combative
attitude. This list does not exist to fatten
anybody's
ego. Over the course of several posts, it appears that
your
motive is to showcase how well you can get under the
skins
of other list members. In that case, take it elsewhere.
It
contradicts your professed claims of wanting to have
productive discussions. You are trying the patience of
almost everybody here. The moderators have mostly taken
a
benign attitude towards your posting history, but this
is
something up with which we don't have to put
forever.
Vidyasankar
On May 21, 2017 1:33
AM, "Kalyan via Advaita-l"
<advaita-l at lists.advaita-
vedanta.org>
wrote:
Isn't
the nirguNa nirvishesha Atman itself the biggest and
only
ignoramus in advaita? It beats me how such an Atman,
wallowing in ignorance, can be described as param
jyoti.
Regards
Kalyan
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On Sun, 5/21/17, V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l
<advaita-l at lists.advaita-
vedanta.org> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Who is Ishwara? He is
NARAYANA
only. Beautiful and soothing Narayana Bhajan
To: "A discussion group for Advaita
Vedanta"
<advaita-l at lists.advaita-
vedanta.org>
Cc: "V Subrahmanian" <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
Date: Sunday, May 21, 2017, 2:10 AM
On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 11:05 PM,
Venkatesh Murthy via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-
vedanta.org>
wrote:
> Namaste
>
> I listen to this
popular Narayana Bhajan without fail everyday like
> many many people -
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=BnLfUf1Iefc
>
> In the Narayana Sukta
Narayana is the Ultimate Ishwara. Who is He? The
> Upanisad has said -
>
> sa brahma sa śivaḥ
sa hariḥ sendraḥ so'kṣaraḥ paramaḥ
svarāṭ.
>
> He is
Brahma, Siva, Vishnu, Indra and other gods. He is the
> Imperishable, the Absolute, the Autonomous
Being.
>
Sayana in the bhashya to this sukta says - it
is not any mūrtiviṣeśa, that
is not any
particular form, meaning that it is Nirguna Brahman.
He
gives
the shruti 'param
jyotirupasampadya..' which is discussed in the
brahma
sutra bhashya as the self that is realized upon
right knowledge. This is
nirguna Brahman in
Advaita. Sayana also says that this entity is the
adhishthana for the aropita jagat. That is
again nirguna brahman.
regards
vs
>
> --
> Regards
>
> -Venkatesh
>
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