[Advaita-l] Who is Ishwara? He is NARAYANA only. Beautiful and soothing Narayana Bhajan

Sriram Sankaranarayanan ssriram1992 at icloud.com
Sun May 21 11:38:41 EDT 2017
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Sri Bharati Thirtha says, even if a question is asked in an improper
manner, answers have to be given, otherwise the questioner might think that
Vedanti's don't have answers. It is only an advise for the questioner that
such improper vinaya viheena questions will not lead to his enlightenment.

On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Kalyan via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> I am amused Vidyasankar. How could your warning have come sooner when I
> write only occasionally on the list?
>
> I think this list is a coterie, but I have no plans to quit on my own
> since I am only an occasional participant.
>
> Now moving on to your answer to my main question- If I know myself as
> nirvishesha Atman, I am no longer an ignoramus. But who was I before I
> gained this knowledge? Wasn't I the Atman? Isn't the Atman then the biggest
> ignoramus?
>
I am not qualified to answer this, I leave this to more qualified members.


>
> Moreover, you and I are both the One and same Atman. Why does my knowledge
> automatically not lead to your knowledge? After all, being the same entity,
> we both sink and swim together. Why do we both have to separately strive
> for liberation?
>
This is answered in 2.1.13 of Brahma-sutra bhashya
<http://advaitasharada.sringeri.net/display/bhashya/BS?page=2&id=BS_C02_S01_V13_B1&hlBhashya=%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%99%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%97>.
It is only an axiomatic statement from the purvapakshi that we should swim
or sink together. But there are counter-examples to that even in Pratyaksha
(ल्लोकवत्). You call the bubbles in the ocean as ocean itself, not
essentially different from ocean. You call the waves in the ocean as ocean
itself, not essentially different. But never will you call bubbles are the
same as waves! Though this difference was really told for existence of
bhokta-bhogya difference (भोक्त्रापत्तेरविभागश्चेत्स्याल्लोकवत् ), it is
applicable to your questions too.

Hamsah Soham

Best Regards

> Kalyan
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Sun, 5/21/17, Vidyasankar Sundaresan <svidyasankar at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Who is Ishwara? He is NARAYANA only. Beautiful
> and soothing Narayana Bhajan
>  To: "Kalyan" <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com>
>  Cc: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
>  Date: Sunday, May 21, 2017, 2:47 PM
>
>  If you knew that, Kalyan, you
>  should agree that this comes much later,  rather than
>  sooner. And if you think this list forms a coterie that
>  excludes you, the decision about what comes next is
>  yours.
>  Best
>  regards,Vidyasankar
>  On May 21, 2017 10:07
>  AM, "Kalyan" <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com>
>  wrote:
>  Vidyasankar
>
>
>
>  I knew you would warn me sooner or later. This list is meant
>  for a coterie of a few. A mutual admiration society, I
>  should say. If somebody does not fall in line, he or she is
>  out.
>
>
>
>  Now do whatever you want to do as the moderator.
>
>
>
>  Regards
>
>  Kalyan
>
>
>
>  ------------------------------ --------------
>
>  On Sun, 5/21/17,
>  Vidyasankar Sundaresan <svidyasankar at gmail.com>
>  wrote:
>
>
>
>   Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Who is Ishwara? He is NARAYANA
>  only. Beautiful and soothing Narayana Bhajan
>
>   To: "A discussion group for Advaita
>  Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-
>  vedanta.org>, "Kalyan" <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com>
>
>   Date: Sunday, May 21, 2017, 10:34 AM
>
>
>
>   Kalyan, I have a two part
>
>   answer for you. The first is as an individual responding
>  to
>
>   you. The second is as a moderator of this list.
>
>   If you know yourself as nirguNa, nirviSesha, then
>
>   you are no longer an ignoramus. If you know yourself as
>  any
>
>   other, then you are the biggest ignoramus. Yet, whatever
>
>   little you know in your ignorance is only through the
>  light
>
>   of your own self. Therefore, this nirguNa nirviSesha self
>  is
>
>   described as the paraMjyoti.
>
>   That said, watch your language and your combative
>
>   attitude. This list does not exist to fatten
>  anybody's
>
>   ego. Over the course of several posts, it appears that
>  your
>
>   motive is to showcase how well you can get under the
>  skins
>
>   of other list members. In that case, take it elsewhere.
>  It
>
>   contradicts your professed claims of wanting to have
>
>   productive discussions. You are trying the patience of
>
>   almost everybody here. The moderators have mostly taken a
>
>   benign attitude towards your posting history, but this is
>
>   something up with which we don't have to put
>
>   forever.
>
>   Vidyasankar
>
>   On May 21, 2017 1:33
>
>   AM, "Kalyan via Advaita-l" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-
>  vedanta.org>
>
>   wrote:
>
>   Isn't
>
>   the nirguNa nirvishesha Atman itself the biggest and only
>
>   ignoramus in advaita? It beats me how such an Atman,
>
>   wallowing in ignorance, can be described as param jyoti.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   Regards
>
>
>
>   Kalyan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   ------------------------------ --------------
>
>
>
>   On Sun, 5/21/17, V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l
>  <advaita-l at lists.advaita-
>
>   vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>    Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Who is Ishwara? He is NARAYANA
>
>   only. Beautiful and soothing Narayana Bhajan
>
>
>
>    To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta"
>
>   <advaita-l at lists.advaita-
>
>   vedanta.org>
>
>
>
>    Cc: "V Subrahmanian" <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
>
>
>
>    Date: Sunday, May 21, 2017, 2:10 AM
>
>
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>
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>
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>    On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 11:05 PM,
>
>
>
>    Venkatesh Murthy via Advaita-l <
>
>
>
>    advaita-l at lists.advaita-
>
>   vedanta.org>
>
>
>
>    wrote:
>
>
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>
>
>
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>    > Namaste
>
>
>
>    >
>
>
>
>    > I listen to this
>
>
>
>    popular Narayana Bhajan without fail everyday like
>
>
>
>    > many many people -
>
>
>
>    >
>
>
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>    > https://www.youtube.com/watch?
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>   v=BnLfUf1Iefc
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>    >
>
>
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>    > In the Narayana Sukta
>
>
>
>    Narayana is the Ultimate Ishwara. Who is He? The
>
>
>
>    > Upanisad has said -
>
>
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>    >
>
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>    > sa brahma sa śivaḥ
>
>
>
>    sa hariḥ sendraḥ so'kṣaraḥ paramaḥ
>
>
>
>    svarāṭ.
>
>
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>    >
>
>
>
>    > He is
>
>
>
>    Brahma, Siva, Vishnu, Indra and other gods. He is the
>
>
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>    > Imperishable, the Absolute, the Autonomous
>
>
>
>    Being.
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>    >
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>    Sayana in the bhashya to this sukta says - it
>
>
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>    is not any mūrtiviṣeśa, that
>
>
>
>    is not any
>
>
>
>    particular form, meaning that it is Nirguna Brahman. He
>
>
>
>    gives
>
>
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>    the shruti 'param
>
>
>
>    jyotirupasampadya..' which is discussed in the
>  brahma
>
>
>
>    sutra bhashya as the self that is realized upon
>
>
>
>    right knowledge. This is
>
>
>
>    nirguna Brahman in
>
>
>
>    Advaita.  Sayana also says that this entity is the
>
>
>
>    adhishthana for the aropita jagat. That is
>
>
>
>    again nirguna brahman.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>    regards
>
>
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>    vs
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>    >
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>    > --
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>
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>    > Regards
>
>
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>    >
>
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>
>    > -Venkatesh
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>    >
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