[Advaita-l] 'I do not know' is bhāvarūpa ajnana

[Ravi Kiran]

Namaste

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 2:51 PM, V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

>
> > >
> > > > If it be accepted, bhAvarUpa ajnAna in sushupti ( and not the mere
> > > absence
> > > > of jnAna,
> > > > constitutes ajnAna ) based on the logic presented here, though one's
> > > > experience in sushupti itself ( during sushupti) is no experience of
> > > jnAna
> > > > or ajnAna, whatsoever, how it be explained that, one's getting the
> > > > akhandakaravritti, in jAgrat, can possibly remove this bhAvarUpa
> ajnAna
> > > in
> > > > sushupti? what is the yukti presented in that case ?
> > > >
> > >
> > > The akhandakaravritti is not intended to remove the saushuptika ajnana.
> >
> >
> > Then, how and when ( by what means), this bhAvarUpa ajnAna in sushupti,
> is
> > eliminated ?
> >
>
> As I said before, no one aims to annihilate the bhāvarupa ajnana in
> sushupti.


Why so ? why admit the bhāvarupa ajnana in sushupti, even after getting the
akhandakaravritti, in jAgrat, that destroys avidya that is causing samsara ?

What purpose does it serve ?


> The aim of sadhana is to destroy avidya that is causing samsara.
> When that is done, samsara along with its cause, avidya, ceases. The Jnani
> lives on till the fall of the body and this requires the three states and
> this is taken care of by prarabdha.
>

Yes, no questions there ..

>
> >
> >
> >
> > > So only the bliss, etc. part is highlighted. Just some
> > > similarities are shown between deep sleep state and liberation.  The
> two
> > > are not the same.
> > >
> >
> > If deep sleep state is considered as sva-svarUpa sthithi, how does
> > liberating knowledge ( svarUpa jnAna) attained in jAgrat,
> > differs from It?
> >
>
> The epithet 'sva-svarupa' is only with the intention of helping the
> aspirant understand that the sva svarupa sthiti is devoid of duality,
> misery, etc. This sthiti is always there but is clearly appreciable when
> one considers the sushupti experience. While this sthiti is by default,
> that is not sufficient to liberate a person. For that a conscious effort is
> to be made to attain svarupa jnana in the jāgrat. While the sushupti sva
> svarupa sthiti is experienced everyday, yet every subsequent morning on
> wakes up as a samsari. When atman knowledge is attempted for and attained,
> the idea of one is a samsari is no longer there. That is the difference.
>

Yes, that is clear .. when atman knowledge is attained, one knows that
Turiyan
alone is, in and through all states .. I see your point is to bring out the
importance
of attaining svarupa jnana in waking, and not in showing any difference
between deep
sleep state and liberation.

Thanks


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> > Thanks
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