[Advaita-l] Bhamati DSV theory according to Siddhanta Bindu

[Ramachandra Sastry]

Namaste All,

I have a doubt in considering Jiva as creator of this universe and not
Brahman/Iswara.
Request scholars to help me.

Though Jiva is Brahman in Svarupa, he certainly do not have the same
capacity of Brahman.
Brahman is superior to Jiva and creation , sustenance and dissolution are
the works of Brahman.

In Shankara Bhasya below quote explicitly mentions this as :

 न च यथोक्तविशेषणस्य जगतो यथोक्तविशेषणमीश्वरं मुक्त्वा, अन्यतः
प्रधानादचेतनात् अणुभ्यः अभावात् संसारिणो वा उत्पत्त्यादि सम्भावयितुं शक्यम्

It is impossible for the samsari Jiva to execute the creation of the
universe, expect the great Iswara none else can handle them (Su. Bh 1.1.2)

2) न च गिरिनदीसमुद्रादिषु नानाविधेषु नामरूपेषु अनीश्वरस्य जीवस्य
व्याकरणसामर्थ्यमस्ति ; येष्वपि च अस्तिसामर्थ्यम् , तेष्वपि परमेश्वरायत्तमेव
तत् ; न च जीवो नाम परमेश्वरादत्यन्तभिन्नः — चार इव राज्ञः, ‘आत्मना’ इति
विशेषणात् , उपाधिमात्रनिबन्धनत्वाच्च जीवभावस्य ; तेन तत्कृतमपिनामरूपव्याकरणं
 परमेश्वरकृतमेव भवति ; परमेश्वर एव च नामरूपयोर्व्याकर्तेति
सर्वोपनिषत्सिद्धान्तः, ‘आकाशो वै नाम नामरूपयोर्निर्वहिता’ (छा. उ. ८ । १४ ।
१)
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 इत्यादिश्रुतिभ्यः ; तस्मात् परमेश्वरस्यैव त्रिवृत्कुर्वतः कर्म
नामरूपव्याकरणम् ।

It is impossible for the Jiva (who is not Isvara) to carve out the world
forms of mountains, rivers, oceans etc.....(Su Br 2.4.20)



Regards
Ramachandra

On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 11:04 AM, V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> In the Br.up.bhāṣya Shankara has very explicitly said that the universe is
> the creation of jiva, through avidyā, kāma and karma. The creation is a
> result of karma for bhoga. The entire infrastructure for the karma phala
> bhoga is thus a creation of the jiva. I am not able to pinpoint the bhashya
> lines and would like someone to please provide the same.
>
> This is reasonable since Brahman being nishkriya and Ishwara being
> nityatrpta, there is no need for creation/creating.
>
> regards
> subbu
>
> 2017-07-27 10:03 GMT+05:30 Venkatesh Murthy via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>:
>
> > Namaste
> >
> > अज्ञानविषयीभूतं चैतन्यमीश्वरः अज्ञानाश्रयीभूतं च जीव इति वाचस्पतिमिश्राः
> > ।अस्मिंश्च पक्षे अज्ञाननानात्त्वाज्जीवनानात्वम् । प्रतिजीवं च प्रपञ्चभेदः
> > जीवस्यैवाज्ञानोपहिततया जगदुपादानत्वात् प्रत्यभिज्ञा चातिसादृश्यात्
> ईश्वरस्य
> > च सप्रपञ्चजीवाविद्याऽधिष्ठानत्वेन कारणत्वोपचारादित । अयमेव चावच्छेदवादः
> ।
> > Translation by Sri S N Sastri
> >
> > According to Vachaspatimisra, pure consciousness which is the content
> > (object) of nescience is Isvara. The locus of nescience is the jiva. In
> > this view multiplicity of jivas is due to multiplicity of nescience. Thus
> > the
> > universe is different for each jiva, because the jiva is the material
> cause
> > of the universe since it has nescience as limiting adjunct. The
> recognition
> > of the universe as the same by all is due to extreme similarity. Isvara
> is
> > metaphorically described as the cause of the universe because of being
> the
> > substratum of the jivas, nescience and the universe. This is the
> limitation
> > theory.
> >
> > Important point is Ishwara is not really the cause of the universe but
> the
> > Jeeva is the cause. There is no Ishwara Srushti. Bellamkonda Rama Raya
> Kavi
> > has said in his Vyaakhyaa
> >
> > ईश्वरशब्दोऽत्र निरुपाधिकचैतन्यवाची न तु अज्ञानविषयीकृतचैतन्यवाची । The
> > Ishwara here in Bhamati is the Nirupaadhika = Suddha Brahma only. This
> > means the Tat in Tat Tvam Asi is Suddha Brahman exactly like for DSV.
> Jeeva
> > is creator of the universe exactly like for DSV but there are many
> Jeevas.
> > When I am seeing a pot and you are seeing the same pot the two pots are
> not
> > the same. I am seeing a pot in my universe and you are seeing a pot in
> your
> > universe. But there is Ati Saadrushya between the pots. They are very
> very
> > similar but not same. Therefore we both think we are seeing the same pot.
> >
> > Therefore Bhamati theory is nothing but DSV with NJV.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards
> >
> > -Venkatesh
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