[Advaita-l] Vaadiraaja Teertha's Yuktimallika - Eka Jeeva Vaada Criticism - Slokas 3-677 to 3-691

[Venkatesh Murthy]

Namaste

On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 6:37 PM, sreenivasa murthy <narayana145 at yahoo.co.in>
wrote:

> Dear Sri Venkatesh Murthy,
>
> You write : "Therefore that one Drashta is the one Jeeva in this world."
>
> Kindly refer to the mantras 3-7-23 and 3-8-11 of Bruhadaranyaka Upanishad
> wherein it has been categorically stated that akShara/ Brahman/ Atman alone
> is the seer. Sri Gaudapada writes : turIyaM sarvadRuk sadA ||  How to do
> *samanvaya* of your statement with the above quoted mantras? Please help
> me in this matter.
> Thanking you.
>
No problem. Drashta means Brahman only. The same Brahman has become a Jeeva
because of His own Avidyaa. If objection is how can Brahman have Avidyaa it
is said the Avidyaa is not real. The Brahman becoming Jeeva is also a
Vivarta like Brahman becoming the World. It is not Parinaama like Mud
becoming Pot but Vivarta like Rope becoming Snake.

Suddha Brahman cannot be Drashta also because Drashta means there is a
Drushya Vastu otherwise what will Drashta see? There will be Druk Drushya
Duality.



> With respectful namaskars,
> Sreenivasa Murthy
>
>
>
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> *Subject:* Re: [Advaita-l] Vaadiraaja Teertha's Yuktimallika - Eka Jeeva
> Vaada Criticism - Slokas 3-677 to 3-691
>
> Namaste
>
> There is one more argument for Eka Jeeva Vaada. The world is made up of
> Cetana and Acetana Vastus. Fine first we think all the Cetana and Acetana
> Vastus are real. Cetana Vastus are Jeevas. We can think Jeevas are
> interacting with each other. But this interaction cannot be strictly
> between one Jeeva and another Jeeva. It should have some Acetana Vastu
> also. If I give you a book I know I am Cetana and you are Cetana but book
> is Acetana Vastu. If I am speaking to you my voice is carried by air waves
> to your ear. The air is Acetana Vastu. The physical body with voice
> generation capability is also Acetana only because without Jeeva it is
> dead.  And so on. All Jeevas are interacting but without Acetana Vastus the
> interaction is not possible. Communication is not possible.
>
> Now we come to the Yukti. From Sruti we know the Acetana Vastus are all
> Mithyaa. They are not real. Therefore the interactions between Jeevas are
> also Mithyaa because they depend on Mithyaa Vastus. Then what? How can real
> Jeevas interact without real communication or real objects? Therefore we
> will have a bad situation. Many Jeevas may be there but they cannot
> interact. This means one thing only. The Jeevas also are Mithyaa. But one
> exception. The Drashta of all this world with Cetana and Acetana Vastus
> cannot be Mithyaa. He must be real otherwise we will a BIG Shoonya. Sruti
> will not allow Shoonya to be end result but Brahman.
>
>
> We have answered Yuktimallika with Yukti only but Sruti Anugruheeta Yukti.
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Regards

-Venkatesh