[Advaita-l] Fwd: Debunking Drishti-Srishti Vada and Eka Jiva Vada - part 1

[Venkatesh Murthy]

Namaste

Why not read Siddhant Bindu? In the Siddhanta Bindu it is said -

मुख्यो वेदान्तसिद्धान्त एकजीववादाख्यः । इममेव च
दृष्टिसृष्टिवादमाचक्षते । This Eka
Jeeva Vaada is the Main Vedanta Siddhanta. This itself is also called
as the Drishti Srishti Vaada.

Eka Jeeva Vaada and Drishti Srishti Vaada from Translation of Siddhanta
Bindu by Sri S. N. Sastri is this -

'In this view the jiva himself is the material and efficient cause of the
universe through his own nescience. All the objects perceived are illusory
(like things seen indream). The delusion that there are many jivas is only
due to there being many bodies. Liberation is attained by the single jiva
on realization of the self as a result of the perfection of hearing,
reflection,etc, with the help of the Guru and the scriptures which are all
conjured up by him. The statements about Suka and others having attained
liberation are only by way of eulogy. In the Mahavakya the term ‘That’
signifies by implication consciousness not limited by nescience, like the
terms ‘infinite’, ‘reality’, etc.'

Now stop doubting Madhusudan Saraswati saying he is Vaishnava and all that
nonsense. Ask any Sringeri scholar if he thinks Madhsudana Saraswati is not
from Advaita Tradition. If you keep doubting that you will be
Asampradayavit and will be Moorkhavad Upakshaneeya.



On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 10:02 PM, Aditya Kumar <kumaraditya22 at yahoo.com>
wrote:

> I am not in favour of Dasgupta because he was the favourite of westerners,
> but because his arguments are reasonable (Yukti). I have no affiliation
> with western scholars or Dasgupta. Even if we speak of tradition, neither
> Misra nor the Vivarana school supports DSV. So in that sense even
> Prakasananda and Madhusudana Saraswati can be considered to be only
> scholars only on the sidelines.
>
> Pls see this : http://www.kamakoti.org/kamakoti/articles/Preceptors%20of%
> 20Advaita%20-%2035.html
>
> So even the tradition is saying that Prakasananda missed the mark.
> Shankara has also said this - That a thousand shruti statements cannot make
> fire cold!
>
> I do respect the tradition. But there is no concrete proof or source for
> DSV from tradition. The only available work is the Siddhanta Muktavali.
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Venkatesh Murthy via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedan
> ta.org>
> *To:* A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> *Cc:* Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, 17 July 2017 8:49 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Advaita-l] Debunking Drishti-Srishti Vada and Eka Jiva
> Vada - part 1
>
> Namaste
>
> You are doubting the Advaita Samradaya of DSV and EJV. You are doubting
> Siddhanta Bindu author Madhusudan Saraswati and you are doubting Sringeri
> Svamiji Abhinava Vidya Teertha if he really said DSV and EJV is final
> Siddhanta. But you are welcoming Yak Kashcit scholar Dasgupta because he
> was favourite of Westerners. Very nice. But there is a warning for you
> coming for Adi Sankara himself - Tasmaat Asampradaayavit
> Sarvashaastravidapi Moorkhavadeva Upekshaneeyah. Even though he may be
> having knowledge of Sastras, because he does not  know Tradition should be
> rejected like a Fool.
>
> Kindly be prepared for this risk if you do not respect and follow Tradition
> but doubt it and all Acharyas in it.
>
> If you like and follow Vachaspati that is fine and that is your choice. At
> least you are following tradition.  But do not say DSV and EJV are
> defective till you have fully studied it according to tradition. Not
> through the coloured glasses of some random scholar writing something.
>
> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 7:53 PM, Aditya Kumar <kumaraditya22 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Dear All,
> >
> > I think we should take up specific verses from Siddhanta Muktavali and
> > then debate on that. I feel that all references from Shankara Bhashya and
> > Gaudapada Karika are being superimposed on DSV or rather interpreted as
> > DSV.
> >
> > The bulk of my understanding of DSV is from 'A history of Indian
> > philosophy' by Surendranath Dasgupta. To give exact reference, from Vol
> I,
> > page 477- 483; Vol II, Page 17-36. Prof Dasgupta was a reputed Sanskrit
> > scholar and he has studied all Indic philosophies. When I referred to
> > Prakasanada's work, I concurred with Dasgupta's conclusions as they are
> > very clear to anyone who reads it. The key being - there is no positive
> > proof/epistemology/ontology.
> >
> > In any case, I have never come across any 'Traditional Pundit' who
> > endorses DSV. The other popular reference is Madhusudana Saraswati but
> many
> > scholars feel that he was more of a Vaishnavite or leaning towards
> > Vaishnavism and predominantly a Nyaya scholar. Many feel that he boldly
> > differs from Shankara at many places. I have not read Vidyaranya's works
> > and so I am not sure about it. Anyway as far as I know, tradition
> > faithfully follows Vachaspati Misra's interpretation of Shankara's
> Advaita.
> > And he makes it abundantly clear that there is a difference between the
> > doctrine of Maya is different from that of solipsism/subjective-idealism.
> > In my opinion, BSB 2-2-29 puts to rest all doubts. But that is just my
> > feeling.
> >
> > Another claim is that even Abhinava Vidyateertha swami endorsed DSV. In
> > the book 'Exalting Elucidations' he makes two important remarks. First
> one
> > is that - Drishti Sristhi Vada is the ultimate view and is ony for
> advanced
> > aspirants. In the next section elsewhere for the question, 'People have
> > many views within Advaita, which one is correct? - To this he answers :
> Eka
> > Jiva Vada is the ultimate truth. So in this book, he explicitly makes two
> > assertions supporting both DSV and EJV. However, I know of a Pundit who
> > comes from a Sringeri lineage and he follows Misra's interpretations to
> the
> > word. So again, I am reluctant to blindly believe that the book/author is
> > representing Abhinava Vidyateertha Swami's views.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
> > *To:* sreenivasa murthy <narayana145 at yahoo.co.in>; A discussion group
> for
> > Advaita Vedanta <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> > *Cc:* Aditya Kumar <kumaraditya22 at yahoo.com>; Venkatesh Murthy <
> > vmurthy36 at gmail.com>
> > *Sent:* Monday, 17 July 2017 7:01 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Advaita-l] Debunking Drishti-Srishti Vada and Eka Jiva
> > Vada - part 1
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 5:52 AM, sreenivasa murthy via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-
> > vedanta.org <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Sri Aditya Kumar,
> > You  write : "A Jnani is established in Brahman."Please permit me to
> > slightly amend this sentence as follows :A Jnani is Brahman. brahmavit
> > brahmaiva Bavati ||
> > Where is the question of being established in Brahman
> > when he is Brahman / Atman itself?A mumukshu, when he realizes his
> > intrinsic nature by shedding  the adventious one  the realization reveals
> > that he was never an individual person, he is not an individual person
> even
> > NOW, he will never be an indidividual person.
> >
> >
> > This is very well said. Shankara has articulated this in the BSB:
> >
> >  पूर्वसिद्धकर्तृत्वभोक्तृत्ववि परीतं हि त्रिष्वपि
> > कालेष्वकर्तृत्वाभोक्तृत्वस्वरू पं *ब्रह्माहमस्मि,*नेतः पूर्वमपि कर्ता
> > भोक्ता वा *अहमासम्, *नेदानीम्, नापि भविष्यत्काले — इति ब्रह्मविदवगच्छति ;
> > एवमेव च मोक्ष उपपद्यते ; ४.१.२३. इति ।
> >
> > Contrary to the previous thinking that I am doer-enjoyer, in all the
> three
> > periods of time I am Brahman that is neither doer nor enjoyer. Before I
> was
> > not doer-enjoyer, nor now, nor even in the future will I be doer-enjoyer
> -
> > such is the realization of a Knower. BSB 4.1.23.
> >
> > So, upon Brahman-realization, all things attached to samsara: the
> samsāri,
> > the ignorance, the world, the thinking that I have/had samsāra - all are
> > negated.
> >
> >
> > regards
> > vs
> >
> >
> > Thank you.With warm regards,Sreenivasa Murthy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >      From: Aditya Kumar via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedan
> > ta.org <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>>
> >  To: Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com>; A discussion group for
> > Advaita Vedanta <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedan ta.org
> > <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>>
> > Cc: Aditya Kumar <kumaraditya22 at yahoo.com>
> >  Sent: Sunday, 16 July 2017 9:22 PM
> >  Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Debunking Drishti-Srishti Vada and Eka Jiva
> Vada
> > - part 1
> >
> > Namaste,
> > A Jnani is established in Brahman. So for a Jnani, there is no creation
> at
> > all. So it is Ajati - adau ante cha yennasti.....what was unreal in the
> > beginning and end is unreal even now. So there was never a creation.
> > For a Mumukshu, this Anirvachaniya/Maya is inevitable. So no DSV here.
> >
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