[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Looking for a verse: अवश्यं भाविभावानां.....

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Namste Subbuji,

The puranas  have to follow the panchalakshana and according to one of the lakshanas, the Royal lineage is to be updated from time to time. There is the statement "raja kalasya karanam". Theupdating  was continued to about 2,000 years ago. The Mahabharata and Ramayana are considered Itihasas and if the Yogavashishtha Maharamayana has also been considered an itihasa text, then reference to future king may have been made as the process of updating the royal lineage. This is the small window I can think of, which would permitt  the mention of Yudhisthira as a future king, in a Ramayana text. I am open to correction.

Regards,
Sunil KB.  . 

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On Wed, 1/18/17, V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] [advaitin] Looking for a verse: अवश्यं भाविभावानां.....
 To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>, "Ajit Krishnan" <ajit.krishnan at gmail.com>
 Date: Wednesday, January 18, 2017, 6:50 PM
 
 Also there is a statement
 in the YV that innumerable Ramayanas and
 Mahabharatas have happened in a sort if history
 repeating itself.
 On Jan 19, 2017 5:08 AM,
 "Ajit Krishnan via Advaita-l" <
 advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
 wrote:
 
 > There are one
 or two oblique references to Yudhishthira in the Yoga
 > Vasishtha. For example --
 युधिष्ठिर इति ख्यातो
 धर्मपुत्रो भविष्यति
 > (6.1.52.29).
 >
 > sasneham,
 >
 >     ajit
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Vidyasankar Sundaresan via
 Advaita-l <
 > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
 wrote:
 >
 > > Since
 the Yogavasishtha is itself in the form of a dialog
 between
 > Vasishtha
 >
 > and Rama, I doubt if the verse avaSyambhAvi ... appears
 in it. I have
 > seen
 >
 > no reference to Yudhishthira in the Yogavasishtha so
 far.
 > >
 > >
 Best regards,
 > > Vidyasankar
 > >
 > > On Wed, Jan
 18, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Sunil Bhattacharjya via Advaita-l
 <
 > > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
 wrote:
 > >
 > >
 > Dear friends,
 > > >
 > > > Though deviating from the
 subject line, kindly permit me to add that
 > even
 > > > the
 Bhagavad Gita has 21 verses common with the
 Yogavashishtha.
 > > >
 > > > Regards,
 >
 > > Sunil KB
 > > >
 --------------------------------------------
 > > > On Wed, 1/18/17, V Subrahmanian
 via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-
 > > > vedanta.org> wrote:
 > > >
 > > > 
 Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] [advaitin] Looking for a verse:
 अवश्यं
 > > >
 भाविभावानां.....
 >
 > >  To:
 "श्रीमल्ललितालालितः"
 <lalitaalaalitah at lalitaalaalitah.com>,
 "A
 > > > discussion group for
 Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-
 > > vedanta.org
 > >
 > >
 > > >  Date: Wednesday,
 January 18, 2017, 2:15 AM
 > > >
 > > >  On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at
 > > >  12:16 AM,
 >
 > > 
 श्रीमल्ललितालालितः
 via
 > > >  Advaita-l <
 > > >  advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
 > > >  wrote:
 >
 > >
 > > >  > Same appears
 in
 > > > 
 जीवन्मुक्तिविवेकः.
 > > >  > I think it has been taken
 from
 > > > 
 योगवासिष्ठः .
 >
 > >  > See
 > > >  a link
 with hints:
 > > >  > http://sadgurusmaran.blogspot.in/2012/10/34.html
 > > >
 > >
 >
 > > >  Thanks for
 > > >  the link which hints at the
 Yogavasishtha source. If there
 > >
 >  is a
 > > >  YV unicode
 resource, maybe we can
 > > > 
 search for this verse there. YV is a very
 > > >  old text and Sri Vidyaranya
 has quoted
 > > >  extensively from
 there in the JVM.
 > > >  In
 fact
 > > >  in the Panchadashi
 context, this verse appears amidst some
 >
 > >  other
 > > >  verses,
 from the BG, etc. which are
 > > > 
 all citations. Hence it is likely that
 >
 > >  this
 > > >  verse is
 from a source outside the Panchadashi.
 >
 > >
 > > >  The Yogavasishtha
 also
 > > >  presents Rama as
 deeply affected by the ways of the
 > >
 >  world, life, etc. and that is where the enquiry
 > > >  into the nature of
 samsāra,
 > > >  remedy, etc.
 > > >  start as a dialogue between
 Vasishtha and Rama.
 > > >
 > > >  There are said to be half a
 > > >  dozen commentaries to the YV.
 Vidyaranya says
 > > >  while
 referring to the YV verses, 'vālmiki
 > > >  says...'. So, there has
 been a
 > > >  belief
 > > >  that the YV is also a part of
 Ramayana or an independent
 > > > 
 work by
 > > >  Valmiki.
 > > >
 > > > 
 The inclusion of Rama along with Nala and
 > > >  Yudhishthira is somewhat
 strange.
 > > >  However,
 > > >  in the Valmiki Ramayana we
 have verses from the mouth of
 > >
 >  Rama
 > > >  expressing the
 miserable times he is
 > > > 
 undergoing.
 > > >
 > > >  https://www.valmiki.iitk.ac.in/sloka?field_kanda_tid=3&
 > > >
 language=dv&field_sarga_value=63
 >
 > >
 > > >  स
 लक्ष्मणं
 > > > 
 शोकवशाभिपन्नं शोके
 > > >  निमग्नो
 विपुले तु
 > > > 
 रामः।
 > > > 
 उवाच
 > > > 
 वाक्यं
 > > > 
 व्यसनानुरूपमुष्णं
 > > > 
 विनिश्श्वस्य
 >
 > > 
 रुदंत्सशोकम्।।3.63.2।।
 > > >  Plunged in deep grief, Rama
 heaved hot sighs
 > > >  and said
 these words to
 > > > 
 griefstricken
 > > >  Lakshmana,
 *weeping:*
 > > >
 > > >  न
 > >
 >  मद्विधो
 > >
 >  दुष्कृतकर्मकारी
 > > >  मन्ये
 द्वितीयोऽस्ति
 >
 > >  वसुन्धरायाम्।
 > > >  शोकेन शोको
 हि
 > > > 
 परम्पराया मा मेति
 > > > 
 भिन्दन्हृदयं
 >
 > >  मनश्च।।3.63.3।।
 > > >  I think
 >
 > >  there is none on earth like me who has performed
 such
 > > >  forbidden
 > > >  acts. One grief after the
 other is
 > > >  successively
 piercing my heart and my
 > > > 
 mind.
 > > >
 >
 > >  पूर्वं मया
 > > > 
 नूनमभीप्सितानि
 > > >  पापानि
 > > > 
 कर्माण्यसकृत्कृतानि।
 > > > 
 तत्रायमद्यापतितो
 > > >  विपाको
 दुःखेन दुःखं
 > >
 >  यदहं विशामि।।3.63.4।।
 > > >  In the past I had certainly
 done some sinful
 > > >  deeds I
 often liked the
 > > > 
 consequences of
 > > >  which have
 descended on me now as I am experiencing one
 > > >  sorrow after another.
 > > >
 > > > 
 राज्यप्रणाशस्स्वजनैर्वियोगः
 > > > 
 पितुर्विनाशो
 >
 > >  जननीवियोगः।
 > > >  सर्वाणि
 मे
 > > > 
 लक्ष्मण
 > > > 
 शोकवेगमापूरयन्ति
 > > > 
 प्रविचिन्तितानि।।3.63.5।।
 > > >  O Lakshmana, loss of kingdom,
 separation from
 > > >  kith and
 kin, death of
 > > >  father,
 separation
 > > >  from mother--all
 these thoughts augment my sorrow faster
 >
 > >  and in greater measure.
 >
 > >
 > > >  सर्वं
 तु दुःखं मम
 > >
 >  लक्ष्मणेदं शान्तं
 > > >  शरीरे
 वनमेत्य
 > > > 
 शून्यम्।
 > > > 
 सीतावियोगात्पुनरप्युदीर्णं
 > > > 
 काष्ठैरिवाग्निस्सहसा
 > > > 
 प्रदीप्तः।।3.63.6।।
 > > >  O Lakshmana, all this sorrow
 calmed down when I
 > > >  came to
 this solitary
 > > >  forest. But
 with
 > > >  Sita's separation,
 it was rekindled just as fire
 > >
 >  blazes
 > > >  forth again
 with logs of wood.
 > > >
 > > >
 > >
 >
 > > >
 >
 > >  >
 > > >  >
 The
 > > >  translation of
 > > > 
 जीवन्मुक्तिविवेकः by
 Swami
 > > >  Mokshadananda of RK
 Math may
 > > >  > help
 > > >  you.
 > >
 >  > Don't have book in PC, so
 > > >  can't check now.
 > > >  >
 > >
 >  >
 > > >  >
 > > > 
 *श्रीमल्ललितालालितः*www.lalitaalaalitah.com
 > > >  >
 > >
 >  > On Tue, Jan 17, 2017
 > >
 >  at 11:43 PM, V Subrahmanian v.subrahmanian at gmail.com
 > > >  > [advaitin] <advaitin at yahoogroups.com>
 > > >  wrote:
 >
 > >  >
 > > >  >
 >
 > > >  > >
 > > >  > > Looking for
 > > >  a verse: अवश्यं
 > > > 
 भाविभावानां.....
 >
 > >  >
 > > >  >
 > > >  > > In the Panchadashi
 of
 > > >  Vidyaranya, in the 7th
 chapter we have a verse:
 > > > 
 > >
 > > >  > >
 > > >  अवश्यं
 भाविभावानां
 > >
 >  प्रतीकारो भवेद्यदि
 ।
 > > >  > > तदा
 दुःखैर्न
 > > > 
 लिप्येरन्
 > > > 
 नलरामयुधिष्ठिराः
 > > >  ॥१५५॥
 > > >  > > 156. If it were
 > > >  possible to avert the
 consequences of fructifying Karma,
 > >
 >  > > Nala, Rama and Yudhisthira would not
 > > >  have suffered the miseries to
 which
 > > >  >
 > > >  > they were subjected.
 > > >  > > This
 > > >  verse is cited along with
 several other verses under the
 > >
 >  head
 > > >  > >
 'bhārata'
 > > > 
 (Mahabharata?) by Sri Viśveśvara Saraswati in his
 > > >  Yatidharma
 > > >  > > sangraha (p.140
 print
 > > >  and 149 of pdf) while
 discussing the need for a
 > > > 
 > > sannyāsin to leave things to
 >
 > >  prārabdha and not be concerned about the
 > > >  > basic
 > > >  > > needs for
 > > >  sustenance.
 > > >  > > It appears that
 > > >  Vidyaranya too has cited that
 verse from some other
 > > >  >
 > source. I would like to know which is
 > > >  the original source of this
 verse.
 > > >  > >
 > > >  The Mahabharata is also a
 possible source. Any help is
 > >
 >  appreciated.
 > > >  >
 > Thanks and regards
 > > > 
 > > subrahmanian.v
 > > > 
 >
 > > >  >
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