[Advaita-l] Fwd: Fwd: A question on PariNAma and vivarta

[V Subrahmanian]

Thanks Venkat ji, for the post. I shall be sharing a post with the group
that will touch upon some of the points you have made.

regards
subbu

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 11:16 PM, Venkatraghavan S <agnimile at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namaste Subbuji,
>
> Having thought about it, I have come to three conclusions in this regard -
> which is a revision of what I had argued for perviously. I will share with
> the group:
>
> 1) the tAtparya of vAcArambhaNa shruti is also in teaching vivartam (apart
> for kAraNa kArya ananyatvam) -  the shruti in using 'eva'-kAra, as in
> mrittika iti eva satyam, says only the cause is satyam, the effect is not.
> If it wanted to include pariNAma too, it would not be appropriate to use
> "eva" with respect to mrittikA, because both cause and effect are satyam
> for a pariNAma.
> 2) In the ghaTa drishTAnta, when we are talking about the change in AkAra
> from mrit piNDa to ghaTa, that change of AkAra is pariNAma only.
> 3) When talking of the mrit appearing as ghaTa (ie material), that
> transformation is a vivarta - it is only an appearance, and no actual
> transformation has taken place. I believe this is what the vAcArambhaNa
> shruti is referring to.
>
> vidyAraNya svAmi in 13.8 was referring to (2) above. In 13.46-48, he was
> referring to (3).
>
> Thank you.
>
> Kind regards,
> Venkatraghavan
>
> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 4:35 PM, Venkatraghavan S <agnimile at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the answers, Subbuji. I have a slightly different
>> understanding of the below, but I will defer forming a definite view until
>> I study further. Thanks for taking the time to explain your position.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Venkatraghavan
>>
>>
>> On 9 Feb 2017 3:32 p.m., "V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l" <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the answers, Subbuji. I have a slightly different
>>> understanding of the below, but I will defer forming a definite view until
>>> I study further. Thanks for taking the time to explain your position.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Venkatraghavan
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9 Feb 2017 3:32 p.m., "V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l" <
>>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 6:23 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Fwd: A question on PariNAma and vivarta
>>> To: Venkatraghavan S <agnimile at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>