[Advaita-l] About Moksha or Enlightenment

[Kripa Shankar]

‎Namaste Rajesh, 
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Thank you for putting the whole thing in perspective. ‎

If we assume that some animals have obtained Moksha, does that mean Jivanmukti or krama mukti? Because lack of bhajan yogyata also implies lack of anusandhana yogyata. 
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So in that case, if we consider an exceptional case, jnana is not necessarily the only cause for enlightenment. ‎
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‎Regards 
Kripa 
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yo vedAdau svaraH prokto vedAnte cha pratiShThitaH |
tasya prakRRiti-lInasya yaH parassa maheshvaraH || 
  Original Message  
From: Rajesh Benjwal
Sent: Saturday 4 February 2017 12:54 PM
To: Kripa Shankar; A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta
Cc: Praveen R. Bhat
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] About Moksha or Enlightenment

Namaste Kripaji,

If we go with ​​Bhag​a​v​A​n Bhasy​a​k​A​raa and tikAk​A​ra then this problem of animal geting moskha does not come as they do not define p​A​payoni here as animals.


​​Bhag​a​v​A​n Bhasy​a​k​A​ra says, ,मां हि यस्मात् पार्थ व्यपाश्रित्य माम् आश्रयत्वेन गृहीत्वा येऽपि स्युः भवेयुःपापयोनयः पापा योनिः येषां ते पापयोनयः पापजन्मानः। के ते इति? आह -- स्त्रियः वैश्याः तथा शूद्राः तेऽपि यान्ति गच्छन्ति परां प्रकृष्टां गतिम्।।


महामण्डलेश्वर श्रीमत्स्वामी विद्यानन्दगिरिजी is also clear in his ललिताव्याख्या of शाङ्करभाष्य that as per भगवान्भाष्यकार pApayoni means stri, vaishya, sudra here. 


And in the very next verse tikAkAra clear it that animal are not fit for bhagvad bhajanam,


मनुष्यदेहातिरिक्तेषु पश्वादिदेहेषु भगवद्भजनयोग्यताभावात्प्राप्ते मनुष्यत्वे तद्भजने प्रयतितव्यमित्याह –दुर्लभमिति।


So he sa​ys​ that it is durlabham, so there can be apavAdam.


About the animals can get moksha or not? We can put in category of apavAdam. There is a rare possibity that some time a human can born with such a prArabdha which need​s​ more than one janma to ​​exhaust. So if he​/she​ get​s​ brahma jnAnam, still he​/she​ may reborn again. I forgot the maximum span of lfie in such case but I think it can be many hundred years. So in that case you get the videhamukti in you last birth.



Any you are correct about Sri Abhinava Gupt ji commentry.


मां हि इत्यादि मत्परायण इत्यन्तम्। पापयोनयः पशुपक्षिसरीसृपादयः। स्त्रिय इति अज्ञाः। वैश्या इति कृष्यादिकर्मान्तररताः। शूद्रा इति कार्त्स्येन वैदिकक्रियानधिकृताः परतन्त्रवृत्तयश्च। तेऽपि मदाश्रिता मामेव यजन्ते। गजेन्द्रमोक्षणादीनि चरितानि हि परमकारुणिकस्य भगवतः सहस्रशः श्रूयन्ते। किमङ्ग पुनरेतद्विपरीतवृत्तयः।


I am not sure how tradition explains गजेन्द्रमोक्ष​ by extended prArabdha or ?


​My two cents

Thanks​

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:26 PM, Kripa Shankar via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
‎Namaste Praveen, 

My sole purpose is clarifying doubts from the learned. In the process, I have shared my own personal views. Most of what I presumed were proven to be otherwise and I have accepted it. I don't see where the problem lies. 
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Regards 
Kripa ‎

yo vedAdau svaraH prokto vedAnte cha pratiShThitaH |
tasya prakRRiti-lInasya yaH parassa maheshvaraH || 
  Original Message  
From: Praveen R. Bhat
Sent: Thursday 2 February 2017 6:57 PM
To: Kripa Shankar; A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] About Moksha or Enlightenment

Namaste Kripaji,

I knew on reading the very first mail of yours that your "target" is yet again RM. Unfortunately, your sole purpose on this list seems to be RM. Be that as it may; to each his own. However, you bring an interesting thing up... which points to some more things your are unaware of...

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 6:40 PM, Kripa Shankar via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

‎I forgot to add this point in previous email. We SanAtana Dharmis don't worship samadhis or offer puja to it. It is strange that in Ramanashram, they worship the grave of RM. 

... The "grave" that you think it is, is a samAdhi and although you may be ignorant, samAdhis are indeed worshipped in the orthodox tradition. In fact, there is an elaborate vidhi of processing the body of a jnAni/ sannyAsi to make the samAdhi with abhisheka, rudra, etc, and there onwards.

Kind rgds,
--Praveen R. Bhat
/* Through what should one know That owing to which all this is known! [Br.Up. 4.5.15] */

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