[Advaita-l] Ramana Maharshi - Advaitin or Neo Advaitin?

[Venkatraghavan S]

Why not "there is no knowledge apart from the known object"? That is, the
pramA is non different from the prameya?

Regards,
Venkatraghavan

On 20 Sep 2016 8:16 a.m., "Raghav Kumar via Advaita-l" <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaste Subrahmanianji
>
> Yes you are quite right. The verse reads jnAtum antaram ( the word being
> tumunAnta rather than panchamI)  the translation does not permit any other
> reading other than 'there is no (other) object to be known in pure
> knowledge.'
>
> I was influenced by another verse from aparokShAnubhUti viz.,
>
> karye hi kAraNam pashyet paschAt kAryam visarjayet kAraNatvam tathA nashyet
> avashiShTam bhaven muniH
>
> (Verse  139)
> First see the cause in all its effects. Thus get rid of the effects
> (multiplicity) altogether. (In ones understanding). Thus the causality of
> the Cause also stands negated. What remains finally is the Contemplater or
> Self alone.
> (My rough translation )
>
> I remember Swami Paramarthanandaji quoting the above version of verse 139
> as representing in a nutshell the entire adhyAropa apavAda prakriya.
>
> But this verse is different.
> Om
>
> Raghav
>
> On 20-Sep-2016 11:32 am, "V Subrahmanian" <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:09 AM, Raghav Kumar via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 20-Sep-2016 8:58 am, "Ravi Kiran via
> >> >
> >> > 'Jnanam alone is; there is no Jnani'
> >> >
> >> Isn't it curious that we also have the words of Sri Ramana Maharshi  -
> >> 'What is Jnana other than the Knower'
> >> ज्ञानमिस्त किं ज्ञातुमन्तरम्
> >
> >
> > Raghav ji,
> >
> > Could you confirm whether the above translation you give to the statement
> is correct? For we have this too:
> >
> > http://www.arunachala.org/docs/upadesa-saram/
> >
> > 27.
> >
> > jñāna-varjitā-jñana-hina cit
> >
> > jñānam-asti kiṃ jñātum-antaram
> >
> > That is true knowledge which transcends
> > Both knowledge and ignorance,
> > For in pure knowledge
> >
> > Is no object to be known.
> >
> >
> >
> > If it has to be //'What is Jnana other than the Knower'// I think the
> wording should be: ....jñāturantaram.  Because, jñātā is the knower.  Apart
> from the knower where / what is Knowledge?  In this case jñātā will become
> jñātuḥ in the panchamī .
> >
> > vs
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