[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Why only jagat is mithya and jeeva is brahman !!??

[Ravi Kiran]

Namaste

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 7:45 PM, Venkatraghavan S via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Thanks Bhaskar ji.
>
> <<First of all as I have been reiterating the jagat which is Ishwara
> hetuka, the jagat for which brahman is abhinna nimittOpadAna kAraNa, the
> jagat / kArya which is like kAraNa trishu kAleshu na vyabhicharati, that
> jagat which has been pointed out by shruti as brahma (like sarvaM khalvidam
> brahman, brahmaivedaM vishwaM etc.)  is not mithyA.>>
>
> This jagat that you refer to as not mithyA, is Brahman. What you are merely
> doing is attributing a name called jagat to this Brahman and saying that
> the "name" is non different to brahman,


Yes, this is exactly what I understood also from all the posts from
Bhaskar-ji and commented so, in one of the earlier emails ..

If this Atmaikatva jnana (as he says) is extended further to a different
realm ( as in jnAni's vyavahAra he quotes - whatever he does is satyameva, his
vyavahAra with this jagat  is satyameva ), I see the dilution (avidya
kalpita) ...

which is just a tautology -
> anything in your conception of jagat, other than a mere name, would imply a
> difference from Brahman, and there can be no svagata bheda in Brahman.
>
> <<The jagat which is independent of its kAraNa is mithyA, since this mithyA
> jagat is in reality not possible to exist it is mithyA only. >>
>
> Then your conception of mithyA is just Atyantika asat, not sadasat
> vilakshaNa mithyA.
>
> <<jnana does not bring bhedAkAra nivrutti, it only bring bheda buddhi
> nivrutti.  brahmavidyA does not create or destroy a thing in front says
> shankara in bruhadAraNyaka.>>
> Yes, Bhaskarji. We don't state that the AkAra of jagat is destroyed by
> jnAna. However, what is bheda buddhi nivrutti actually mean? Since AkAra is
> the thing that is "perceptible", bheda buddhi nivrutti means  bhedAkAra
> satyatva nivrutti. And if the satyatva of bhedAkAra is negated, what is
> left? Only Brahman.
>
> <<Not only antaryAma /AdhAra / AdhishtAna he (brahman) is the upAdAna too
> for this vyAvahArika objects. That we should not forget while throwing the
> vyAvahArika jagat in mithyA basket.>>
>
> This is just a provisional status. Initially we say brahman is the upAdAna
> for the vyAvahArika objects, but in reality, its upAdAna status is also
> adhyAropita only, it is mithyA also. In apavAda, even this upAdAnatvam is
> negated as mithyA. That is why Krishna says "na cha matsthAni bhUtAni".
>
> <<If we discount the kArya-kAraNa ananyatvaM, if we negate the Ishwara
> hetuka srushti, if we deny the pancheekaraNa, trivrukkaraNa just to prove
> the illusory nature of jagat we have to ignore major portion of sUtra,
> geeta and shruti and without our knowledge unfortunately we are wearing the
> attire of vijnAnavAdins when it comes to jagat existence. >>
>
> It is simply part of adhyAropa-apavAda prakriyA. We are not vijnAnavAdis,
> because they say that jagat is a projection of the mind, whereas we say it
> is a projection of avidyA. By the way, by avidyA, I mean brahmAshrita
> avidyA.
>
> Regards,
> Venkatraghavan
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