[Advaita-l] Why was the illusory universe generated at the first place?

[D.V.N.Sarma డి.వి.ఎన్.శర్మ]

It is YOU who generated the illusory universe according to advaita.
regards,
Sarma.


On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Ravi Kiran via Advaita-l
<advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Aurobind Padiyath via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>> Is it not happening every day? Even without effort? You don't have to dwell
>> on the subject. It's a natural process called swabhava.
>> This world as it is perceived now will vanish but there will be and there
>> is only That by whatever terms you describe from this state. Can beauty of
>> a rainbow explained to the blind becomes his knowledge? Only when he gains
>> vision he will know about the rainbow, even how he himself looks and how
>> the world appears. No word nor his mind can reach that knowledge before
>> that vision.
>> Ignorance is said to be beginning-less, but can be ended up on knowing.
>> Same way once known it can never be unknown. Since time itself is a product
>> of this ignorance, it's not possible to explain or give a reason for the
>> cause of it. It will be trying to climb your own shoulders. That's why the
>> answer to your question of getting caught up in its own ignorance cannot be
>> explained or understood.
>>
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>
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>> For a moment go into deep sleep where time is absent. Do you have any issue
>> of ignorance? But you as the pure existence knowledge and bliss was only
>> there merged into its totality of One Being.
>
>
> Nice thought, no trace of vidya or avidya there.. Thanks
>
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>
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>> When you establish firmly you
>> are That even in all the three states where in one you dream and the other
>> you experience this world and goes back to that One Being, you are the the
>> One and Only One. Does the ocean undergo any change from it's wateryness
>> when it changes to waves, bubble, cloud, iceberg, rain, pond, lake, Brook,
>> stream, river and back into ocean?
>> That Being, in essence which is everything, is also is like that.
>> Words cannot take you there as it's beyond. The whole of ShAstras and Guru
>> can only point us to That. The journey has to be ours.
>> HariOm!
>> Aurobind
>>
>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2016 14:44 Shashwata Shastri, <shashwata.unimas at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > The world will only vanish when I will only dwell on the subject. If I
>> can
>> > direct all of my senses towards that Inner being there is no world.
>> > Where did this ignorance of mine come from? Did  I create it? It means
>> > Brahman itself is caught up on it's own ignorance?
>> >
>> > Shashwata Chowdhury
>> >
>> > On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Aurobind Padiyath <
>> > aurobind.padiyath at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Your own ignorance about your true nature is what makes your feel
>> >> limited. Similar to dream where you feel you as various entities inside
>> >> your dream, all your own creation, but identifies with the dreamer,
>> >> similarly in waking state. You are neither.
>> >> Only when you are given the knowledge of your real nature, these
>> >> misunderstanding will get eradicated and once you gain that then you
>> won't
>> >> feel miserable. Just as you are no more worried about your dreams. But
>> you
>> >> continue to see it. Same way knowing the real swaroopa of you will
>> remove
>> >> your identification with the concept of the individual self. But this
>> world
>> >> will not vanish, only it will be seen in the new light of knowledge.
>> Seeing
>> >> the water of mirage will entice you only till the truth is unknown.
>> >>  This is the Moksha what Advaita guarantee.
>> >> (I'm purposely not using jargon as I find many get stuck up on them and
>> >> miss the purports of the teachings)
>> >>
>> >> Aurobind
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, 23 Mar 2016 13:06 Shashwata Shastri, <
>> shashwata.unimas at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Why do I posses such limitation? Why should I make that mistake? I the
>> >>> subject, the consciousness, why have I merged my inner conscious being
>> with
>> >>> the objects? Why do I mistakenly take myself as an object? From where
>> do
>> >>> this limitation and ignorance rise from? If I am that conscious
>> existence
>> >>> why am I trapped in my own objective experiences?
>> >>>
>> >>> Shashwata Chowdhury
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 8:18 AM, Aurobind Padiyath <
>> >>> aurobind.padiyath at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> There is no absence of light in reality. Only the limitation of your
>> >>>> eyes to see is called the absence. Mistaking the light of Sun under
>> >>>> conditions is in reality the wateryness. Same way when you see things
>> as
>> >>>> names and forms not as Sat Chit Ananda that includes you too, that is
>> >>>> called Avidya or Maya. Not perceived in it's reality creates the
>> names and
>> >>>> forms.
>> >>>> Can you experience any thing if it is not existing (Sat), Awareness
>> >>>> (Chit) and niratishaya anubhuti (Ananda)? Everything is only
>> experienced as
>> >>>> knowledge and only if it is existing. That experiencing if it is
>> confused
>> >>>> with the names and forms it is called Jagat otherwise in it's reality
>> it is
>> >>>> only Brahman.
>> >>>> Aurobind
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2016 12:36 Shashwata Shastri, <
>> >>>> shashwata.unimas at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> My question still remains- why the absence of light? And why the
>> >>>>> mirage in first place? As desert and sun is the source of the mirage
>> same
>> >>>>> way Brahman is the source of the illusion. I think I should ask this
>> - Why
>> >>>>> should I experience the absence of light in the first place?!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Shashwata Chowdhury
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Aurobind Padiyath <
>> >>>>> aurobind.padiyath at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Your statement
>> >>>>>> "It (darkness) can be experienced hence it is sat and at the same
>> >>>>>> time these particular experiences can be nullified (in the presence
>> of
>> >>>>>> light), therefore, it is asat.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Brahman is cit (consciousness) Maya is Avidya or (Avastu).
>> >>>>>> Object(appearance) is very different from the subject but there is
>> no
>> >>>>>> object without the subject (This assumption is wrong as in a
>> mirage). But
>> >>>>>> where did this object (the water in a mirage or darkness in the
>> absence of
>> >>>>>> light) came from? "
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Aurobind
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2016 12:03 Shashwata Shastri, <
>> >>>>>> shashwata.unimas at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Where did this Vastu came from? If it is Vastu what is it doing
>> >>>>>>> inside of Brahman? Surely it is not an independent entity?!
>> Questions
>> >>>>>>> related to Maya always puzzles me. I know without Brahman it is non
>> >>>>>>> existent. Maya is mithya and mithya is by default sat and asat. It
>> can be
>> >>>>>>> experienced hence it is sat and at the same time these particular
>> >>>>>>> experiences can be nullified, therefore, it is asat.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Brahman is cit (consciousness) Maya is Avidya or vastu. Object is
>> >>>>>>> very different from the subject but there is no object without the
>> subject.
>> >>>>>>> But where did this object came from?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Shashwata Chowdhury
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 1:53 AM, Aurobind Padiyath <
>> >>>>>>> aurobind.padiyath at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Pranams
>> >>>>>>>> The first error that needs correction is that Maya is a vastu. The
>> >>>>>>>> rest of the questions will be nonexistent if you understand this.
>> >>>>>>>> It is compared to darkness to light as an example.
>> >>>>>>>> Now look at your questions in this scenario. You will get all
>> >>>>>>>> answers.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Aurobind
>> >>>>>>>> On 23 Mar 2016 03:48, "Shashwata Shastri via Advaita-l" <
>> >>>>>>>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> What is this Maya? Where does it come from? Why was Avidya there
>> >>>>>>>>> at the
>> >>>>>>>>> first place? Brahman is the one and absolute. My question is, why
>> >>>>>>>>> this
>> >>>>>>>>> spark of imperfection in the perfect? Without Brahman there can
>> be
>> >>>>>>>>> no
>> >>>>>>>>> existence of Maya itself. But what is the relation between Maya
>> and
>> >>>>>>>>> Brahman? It is not like the Brahman, it is not even same as
>> >>>>>>>>> Brahman, it
>> >>>>>>>>> can not exist without Brahman, it is not something which can be
>> >>>>>>>>> identified
>> >>>>>>>>> as the opposite of Brahman either. But we need to admit that it
>> did
>> >>>>>>>>> generate from Brahman. If it is from Brahman then why it was
>> there
>> >>>>>>>>> on the
>> >>>>>>>>> first place (Again same question)? Why depended existence of
>> >>>>>>>>> ignorance in
>> >>>>>>>>> absolute and pure Brahman?
>> >>>>>>>>>
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