[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Why only jagat is mithya and jeeva is brahman !!??

[Ravi Kiran]

Namaste Sri Venkatraghavan Ji

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 3:25 PM, Venkatraghavan S <agnimile at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namaste Sri Ravi Kiran ji,
> The veda itself washes it's hands off that question. In the Taittiriya
> BrAhmaNa (TB 2.8.9), it is said:
>
> को अद्धा वेद? कः प्रवोचत्? कुत आजात? कुत इयं विसृष्टिः?
>
> Who clearly knows the answer to these questions? Who can give replies to
> questions like this? Where did this creation come from? What is the purpose
> of this creation?
>
> Essentially when asked to explain creation, shruti shrugs :)
>
> Therefore enquiring into the cause of creation and the purpose of creation
> is meaningless - no logical answer is possible. Therefore, it is all
> anirvachanIya, says the shruti.
>
To clarify, the objective was not to enquire into the cause of creation,
but wanted to hear further elaboration from Bhaskar ji, which he clarified
in the lines, in paramArtha satyam, there is no significance for mithya
nAma rUpa, as I understood from his response  ...

Thanks

> Regards,
> Venkatraghavan
> On 22 Mar 2016 3:36 a.m., "Ravi Kiran via Advaita-l" <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I find the  gold-ornaments example is analogy of the Brahman being the
>> > adhiSTAna of jagat..  though the ornaments ( jagat) is experienced, it
>> is
>> > not paramArthikam, while Brahman alone is ...
>> >
>> > praNAms
>> > Hare Krishna
>> >
>> > I agree.  But point here is can there any existence be attributed to
>> > ornaments without the presence of gold in it??  When you know the true
>> > svarUpa of gold, the socalled nAma rUpa is nothing but gold only i.e.
>> > satyameva.  Shankara talks about 'bheda buddhi nivrutti' NOT bhedAkAra
>> > nivrutti.  Hence it has been clarified that the 'jagat' will not be
>> > vanquished by attaining the brahmavidyA.
>>
>>
>> Ok, what is the relevance of such a nAma rUpa jagat in paramArtha satyam
>> (svata-siddha, sva-prakAsa vastu), Brahman?
>>
>> praNAms
>>
>>
>> > But the assumptions (like it is asarvaM, paricchinnaM, independent from
>> > its svarUpa etc.)  about jagat conceived by the one who endowed with
>> avidyA
>> > are gone!!??  For that matter brahma vidyA svarUpa jnana does not create
>> > anything new nor destroy a thing in front.  It (jnana) can reveal the
>> > 'truth' behind jagat which is nothing but brahman.
>> >
>> > Hari Hari Hari Bol!!
>> > Bhaskar
>> >
>> > PS :  Kindly pardon me prabhuji-s for continuing this thread from my
>> > side.  Since I am the originator of 'doubt' on jagan mithyatvaM, I have
>> to
>> > clarify certain points from my view point.
>> >
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