[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Why only jagat is mithya and jeeva is brahman !!??

[Venkateswaran N E]

To differentiate between the adhiSTAna (of jagat) and svarUpa (of jIva), I am attempting two analogies as follows. 
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1. Brahman being the adhiSTAna of jagat can be explained by the mirage in the desert, wherein the mirage has nAma-rUpa but ultimately it is bhrama (illusion) with the hot sand being only the adhiSTAna, but not its svarUpa.

2. The svarUpa of jIva being Brahman can be explained using the gold-ornaments example, wherein when you remove the nAma-rUpa of the ornaments, only the gold (svarUpa) remains.

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Venkateswaran N E

> On 21-Mar-2016, at 5:16 AM, Durga Prasad Janaswamy via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> 
> thank you and regards
> -- durga prasad
> 
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 3:25 PM, श्रीमल्ललितालालितः <
> lalitaalaalitah at lalitaalaalitah.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
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>> 
>> *श्रीमल्ललितालालितः*www.lalitaalaalitah.com
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>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 10:31 PM, Durga Prasad Janaswamy <
>> janaswami at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hari Om,
>>> 
>>> Pranams,
>>> 
>>> I have few doubts. Appreciate if they can be clarified:
>>> 
>>> 1
>>> "​chaitanyam in it's jIvatva-state can't be identified with brahman."
>>> ​i. Can we say
>>> chaitanyam in it's jIvatva-state is vachArthA,   sudha brahman is
>>> lakSharthA?
>> 
>> ​The basic problem here is that we are not talking about shAbdabodha, so
>> there is no need to bring vAchyArtha and laxyArtha.
>> You wrote vAchArtha and laxArtha? That's enough to tell that there is some
>> problem.
>> ​
>> 
>> 
>>> 2.  "vivarttopAdAna can't be identified with kArya"
>>> How can one be termed as upadana without knowing that there is a kArya?
>> 
>> ​Did I say anything like that?
>> Here, identification means to know as one. I didn't say that kArya can't
>> be known.
>> ​
>> 
>> 
>>> 3
>>> "If you want to add brahman to nAma and rUpa, then it must be added as
>>> adhiShThAna; not as a svarUpa(part) of jagat.
>>> While in the case of jIva, brahman(chaitanya) is part of svarUpa too."
>>> 
>>> i. here are we saying
>>> chaitanya is part of svarUpa and adhiShThAna is not.
>> 
>> ​No.
>> ​
>> 
>> 
>>> ii. In other words are we saying, there can be adhiShThAna (sat) without
>>> chaitanya?
>>> chaitanya without adhiShThAna (sat)?
>> 
>> ​No.
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