[Advaita-l] karmayoga is better than which type of sannyAsa [was "Why did Krishna said that he was unable to repeat Gita?"]

[Venkatraghavan S]

Namaste Praveenji,

Yes, what I meant was that karmayoga is better than vividishA sanyAsa taken
by an anadhikAri. To argue therefore that vividishA sannyAsa is
inappropriate for an adhikAri would be untenable.

Regards,
Venkatraghavan

On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Praveen R. Bhat <bhatpraveen at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namaste Venkatraghavanji,
>
> On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 7:13 PM, Venkatraghavan S <agnimile at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I am not sure it would go against shruti, precisely because if an
>> adhikArarahita purusha takes up vividiShA sanyAsa it would lead to anartha
>> only. The question becomes whether such a sanyAsa can be called vividiShA
>> sanyAsa at all. I am not sure if shAstra makes an ex-post facto definition
>> of vividiShA sanyAsa, but it may well do.
>>
>
>
> Since I replied from my phone earlier on, I seem to have missed the list!
> I am leaving my earlier mail here at the tail end for the list. I've also
> changed the subject line.
>
> I think I may have misunderstood you before if you're saying that
> "karmayoga is better than vividiShA sannyAsa, without adhikAritva". I am
> saying the same thing. However, if you're saying that "karmayoga is better
> than vividiShA sannyAsa taken to by an adhikAri", that goes against Brihad
> Shruti. Since the latter prescribes प्रव्रजेयुः which would supercede
> karmayoga instructions.
>
>
>> Both Anandagiri and Ramaraya kavi also are clear that what is being
>> compared is karmayoga with a sanyasa done by a person who is not qualified
>> with sAdhanachatuShTaya sampatti and jnAna niShThA.
>>
>
> Yes. jnAnaniShThA or even kevalajnAna is out of question here, since it is
> that sannyAsa where adhikAritva/ sAdhanachAtuShTaya sampatti itself is
> lacking.
>
>
>
>> I am casting my mind back to Swami Paramarthananda's Gita BhAshyam
>> classes for this section, where I recall him interpreting karmasanyAsa here
>> as vividiShA sanyAsa only. Will go back and see if I can find the relevant
>> class.
>>
>
> I don't see anything Swami Paramarthanandaji's would say any different
> either, except that vividiShA sannyAsa has to be qualified here by kevala,
> meaning adhikArarahita. Else it is against Anandagiri's as well as
> Ramarayakavi's interpretation, over and above Brihad Shruti.
>
> Kind rgds,
> --Praveen R. Bhat
> /* Through what should one know That owing to which all this is known!
> [Br.Up. 4.5.15] */
>
>
>> On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Praveen R. Bhat <bhatpraveen at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Namaste Venkatraghavanji,
>>>
>>> kevalasannyAsa here means not only jnAnarahita but also adhikArarahita.
>>> For an adhikAri, sannyAsa is prescribed by Br.Up. 4.4.22. Bhashyakara
>>> interprets the laT lakAra there as a vidhili~N. Gita verse would go against
>>> this Shruti if karmayoga is interpreted to be superior to vividiShA
>>> sannyAsa.
>>>
>>>
>>>