[Advaita-l] Shankara authenticates Shiva as the son of Brahma

[Shashwata Shastri]

Fighting over supremacy? Seems like kids fighting over their ice-creams.
Mine tastes better than yours because the menu-list says so.

Shashwata Chowdhury

On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 12:58 AM, V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 8:07 PM, D Gayatri <dgayatrinov10 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Is this story present in the critical edition? If yes, can you give me
> the
> > references? Assuming both happen and I read the story, I will respond to
> > you further.
>
>
> I do not know if it is in the critical edition. It is very much there,
> however, in this edition:
>
> It is in the Karna parva, chapter 25:
>
> https://sa.wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A4%
> BE%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%8D-08-
> %E0%A4%95%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A3%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%B0%E0%
> A5%8D%E0%A4%B5-025
>
> Because of Sanskrit font in the address, the URL is so long. The entire
> story can be read there. Only the relevant verses are shown here:
>
>
> ततः प्रभृति देवानां देवदेवोऽभवद्भवः।
> पतिश्च सर्वभूतानां पशूनां चाभवत्तदा।। 8-25-30a
> 8-25-30b
> तस्मात्पशुपतिश्चोक्तो भवत्वाच्च भवेति वै।।
> अर्धमादाय सर्वेषां तेजसा प्रज्वलन्निव। 8-25-31a
> 8-25-31b
>
> From then on Rudra was 'Deva Deva' and the Lord of all beings, who are
> paśus. Therefore he is called paśupati.
>
>
>
>
> >
> > On Saturday, 13 August 2016, V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 4:54 PM, D Gayatri via Advaita-l <
> >> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> //There he is talking about Rudra, an amsha of Lord Shiva. The amshA is
> >>> created, not the amshi. That does not mean that he holds Shiva himself
> to
> >>> be a created entity.//
> >>>
> >>> If that is your reading, then so be it. From my perspective, I do not
> >>> find
> >>> evidence to support your reading. Birth of Rudra is mentioned even in
> >>> Sruti
> >>> like Satapatha and Kausitaki brahmanas.
> >>>
> >>
> >> The Mahabharatha has the story of how Rudra was crowned Pashupati. It is
> >> after taking into consideration his capabilities that were demonstrated
> in
> >> the past that this was done and he agreed to be their pati. It is an
> >> already existing Rudra that is crowned and not a one born afresh. The
> >> Br.up. should be seen in this light. Varuna, for instance is already
> there.
> >> He is admitted as the pati of the aquatics. There are also shrutis that
> >> talk of Vishnu's birth also from Shiva.
> >>
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