[Advaita-l] Fwd: Re: What is the difference between Maya and avidhya ?

[Ravi Kiran]

praNAms

On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Sujal Upadhyay <sujal.u at gmail.com> wrote:

> praNAm-s
>
> In panchadashI, SrI vidyAraNya svAmI has said that - after the removal of
> aGYAna, GYAnI (jIvanmukta) sees mithyA jagat,
>

Yes, as mentioned in the BSB also, it continues as bAdhita anuvRttiH, while
paramArtha GYAna itself is trikAla abAdhita (unsublated),as there is no
pramAna to sublate it.

बाधितमपि तु मिथ्याज्ञानं द्विचन्द्रज्ञानवत्संस्कारवशात्कंचित्कालमनुवर्तत एव


> as mithyA and GYAna are nor opposite. However, GYAnI knows that samsAra is
> mithyA and hence do not get involved in it.
>

> It is like seeing sky meeting land. We know that it is an illusion, yet we
> keep seeing it :)
>

True :)

>
> In case of nirvikalpa samAdhi, one does not see (experience) any brAnti or
> mithyA jagat, as one is above mAyA, but when one's consciousness descends
> back to the plane of jagat, it comes under the influence of mAyA. Since
> mind is necessary to see or experience anything, and mind is under
> influence of mAyA, it sees or experiences jagat.
>

In paramArtha GYAna itself, there is no trace of mAyA or avidya,  as Sruti
says



*Brahmavid brahmaiva bhavati**brahma-vid apnoti param*

However, a GYAnI is detached from mind and hence knows the truth.
>
> Hari OM
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Ravi Kiran via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>> > Had it really existed, then, like Brahman, it should be existing for
>> ever.
>>
>> True..In that case, jnAna cannot dispel avidya if it really existed (as it
>> is not kartru tantra)..
>> jnAna can only illumine it ..
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 1:02 PM, V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>
>> > On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 7:03 AM, Ramachandra Achar via Advaita-l <
>> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Yes, subbu sir ,
>> > >            I accept because of agnana whatever we see is false,and
>> that
>> > > object doesn't exist in all three "kaalas",
>> > > For example snake seen on rope,person seen on dream......
>> > >
>> > > I too accept Maya ,which is due to agnana is false and doesn't exist
>> in
>> > > three  folds of time.
>> > >
>> > > But we have accept the existence of agnana in past and present.
>> > > For example in dream whatever we see maybe false and doesn't
>> exist.....
>> > > But we have to accept the existence of dream in past and present...
>> > > Similarly, agnana of seeing snake in rope  maybe false....
>> > > But that agnana,which makes me to see snake in rope is not false...it
>> is
>> > > true and 100% exists...otherwise we can't account for this world....
>> > > So,there exist two things agnana and jgnana (brahman)......atleast at
>> > past
>> > > and present ,maybe at features only jgnana continues to exit....
>> > >
>> >
>> > The BG 2.16 says about 'Existence': na abhāvo vidyate sataḥ [Existence
>> will
>> > never go out of existence.] That which exists can never go out of
>> > existence. If X is admitted to no longer exist, then its former
>> existence
>> > is in question. If māyā/ajñāna/avidyā were admitted to exist at any
>> time in
>> > the past and present but not in future, then its earlier existence is in
>> > question. Why? For the reason that it does not satisfy the above
>> definition
>> > of existence.  Since it is known to cease to exist upon the dawn of
>> > knowledge, it is deemed to be non-existent in all three periods of
>> time. It
>> > only appeared to exist but did not really exist. Had it really existed,
>> > then, like Brahman, it should be existing for ever.
>> >
>> > vs
>> >
>> > Then how do you prove there exists only jgnana (Brahman),in all three
>> kalas
>> >
>> > > and agnana doesn't exist in all three folds of time?
>> > >
>> > > Ramachandra
>> > >
>> > >
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