[Advaita-l] Deprecating foreign scholars is not Hindu tradition

[Venkatraghavan S]

Yes, indeed. But I don't know if he seeks moksha, I am assuming people on
this list do.

Just a pointer that pride is an obstacle to moksha, and we are better off
avoiding it. You can ignore if you think I am wrong.

Regards,
Venkatraghavan

On 2 Aug 2016 11:53 p.m., "Venkatesh Murthy via Advaita-l" <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaste
>
> On Tuesday 2 August 2016, Venkatraghavan S <agnimile at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > No, vedic karma requires adhikaritvam, but please do not assume
> > adhikaritvam with superiority, and do not extend that superiority as
> > conferring "true" knowledge as opposed to "bookish" knowledge.
> >
>
> Your advice should be to Western scholars also. They should not assume
> superiority just because they are from rich countries and fair complexion.
>
> Westerner Roth has said Sayana was ritualistic and he could not give proper
> meaning for Vedic mantras. How can Roth with no Upanayana Samskara know
> more about Vedas than Sayana? Is it possible in this Mleccha Janma for Roth
> to know more than Brahmin Sayana about Vedas? Never.
>
> > Karma and jnAna operate on different levels.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Venkatraghavan
> >
> > On 2 Aug 2016 3:17 a.m., "Venkatesh Murthy" <vmurthy36 at gmail.com
> > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','vmurthy36 at gmail.com');>> wrote:
> >
> >> Namaste
> >>
> >> Do you mean no Upanayana is required for Vedic and Vedanga studies? A
> >> lot of people here will not agree with you.
> >>
> >> On Monday 1 August 2016, Venkatraghavan S <agnimile at gmail.com
> >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','agnimile at gmail.com');>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> What samskAra does Atma have?  Why identify with paricChinna anAtma
> >>> vastu like samskAra or desha / kAla when one should remind oneself to
> >>> identify with consciousness instead?
> >>>
> >>> One can have pride in one's culture, but when that pride looks down on
> >>> someone else is only an obstacle to Atma vidyA. chAndAl'ostu sa tu
> >>> dvijo'stu gururityeShA manIShA mama.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Venkatesh Murthy via Advaita-l <
> >>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Namaste
> >>>>
> >>>> On Saturday 30 July 2016, D.V.N.Sarma డి.వి.ఎన్.శర్మ <
> >>>> dvnsarma at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> > Since Hindu Astronomy at that time was not upto the mark our
> >>>> astronomers
> >>>> > borrowed from Yavanas. Nothing becomes automatically right just
> >>>> because it
> >>>> > is
> >>>> > propounded by a Hindu.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Usually a latter commentator contradicts a former commentator's
> point
> >>>> of
> >>>> > view.
> >>>> > It is unreasonable to say that the latter commentator has no right
> to
> >>>> > contradict the former.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> But you are missing the point. A Mleccha will not have any Samskara
> like
> >>>> Upanayana. He will not learn Sastra traditionally from Guru but may be
> >>>> from
> >>>> University Professor wearing pants and shoes. How can such a pant
> shirt
> >>>> shoe wearing Guru without Samskaras give proper instruction? He will
> >>>> give
> >>>> bookish knowledge only.
> >>>>
> >>>> A man  wanted to learn making Masala Dosa from a book. In the book it
> >>>> was
> >>>> written 'heat the Dosa pan and apply ghee on the hot pan'. He applied
> >>>> ghee
> >>>> with hands on the hot pan and got burnt badly. This will happen if you
> >>>> are learning from books.
> >>>>
> >>>> >
> >>>> > regards,
> >>>> > Sarma.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 12:24 AM, Venkatesh Murthy via Advaita-l <
> >>>> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
> >>>> > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
> >>>> ');>>
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> >> Namaste
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> On Saturday 30 July 2016, D.V.N.Sarma డి.వి.ఎన్.శర్మ <
> >>>> >> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
> >>>> >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
> >>>> ');>>
> >>>> >> wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> > Hindu tradition is to give due respect to deserving people
> >>>> irrespective
> >>>> >> of
> >>>> >> > their religion or nationality.
> >>>> >> > This attested and made evident by by Varahamihira in Brihat
> Samhita
> >>>> >> 2-14.
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > म्लेच्छाहि यवनास्तेषु सम्यक् शास्त्रं प्रतिष्ठितम् ।
> >>>> >> > ऋषिवत्तेऽपि पूज्यन्ते किं पुनर्दैवविद्विजः।।
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > Because of their entrenchment in the Khagola Sastra Yavanas
> though
> >>>> >> Mlecchas
> >>>> >> > are adored as Rishis. What to say if one is a brahmin
> >>>> >> > astronomer/astrologer.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Yes they can be respected but this Sloka is not about situation
> when
> >>>> the
> >>>> >> Mlecchas are writing Sastras contradicting Brahmin Sastras. If a
> >>>> Mleccha
> >>>> >> is
> >>>> >> contradicting Adi Sankara and making wrong comments on Acharyas of
> >>>> >> Parampara in any Sastra he will be not respected by us.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > regards,
> >>>> >> > Sarma.
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> >>>> >> -Venkatesh
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> >> Regards
> >>
> >> -Venkatesh
> >>
> >>
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>
> -Venkatesh
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