[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Why only jagat is mithya and jeeva is brahman !!??

[Venkatraghavan S]

A couple of notes - Just thought I will clarify.

1) The reference to prapanchopashamam is from mantrA 7 of the upanishad
proper, not the kArika.

2) Subbuji shared  kArika 17 and its bhAshya (prapancho yadi vidyeta),
which is an explanation of the same mantra, a few days back. One can
retrieve that message for reference.

Regards,
Venkatraghavan
On 5 Apr 2016 2:14 p.m., "Venkatraghavan S" <agnimile at gmail.com> wrote:

> Namaste Sri Bhaskar ji,
>
> I have separately mailed you a transliteration of the section from
> MAndUkya and BhAshya that explicitly refers to prapaNcha upashamam.
>
> Please clarify how you interpret prapaNcha upashamam of the kArika and
> AchArya's explanation of that term as "jAgratAdisthAna dharma abhAva" as
> anything but the negation of prapaNcha?
>
> I'm working on the assumption that you accept all shruti as pramANa and
> accept kArika as a valid interpretation of mAndUkya upanishad. If that's
> not the case, please clarify your position.
>
> Regards,
> Venkatraghavan
> On 5 Apr 2016 10:05 a.m., "Bhaskar YR" <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com> wrote:
>
>> >
>> > Sri Bhaskar Ji,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Pranams.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Reg  << All of a sudden from where did you get the mithyA word to denote
>> > the non-contradiction of pratyaksha pramANa!!??  >>.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >  You wrote on 23 March   in response to Sri Venakatraghavan Ji
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > <<  As you know one pramANa will never contradict other pramANa.  And
>> now
>> > the
>> > > important question is :  why at all the names and forms of this
>> > > multifarious jagat to be declared as mithya (when it is pratyaksha
>> > pramANa
>> > > siddha ) to realize the Agama pramANita ekatvaM of brahman?? >>.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I interpreted this statement as meaning that in your view
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 1. jagat is wrongly declared as mithya even when it is pratyaksha
>> pramANa
>> > sidha
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2. That this is declared so only to realize the Agama pramANita ekatvaM
>> of
>> > Brahman.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 3. Such a judgement is arrived at even ignoring the fact that it results
>> > in contradiction of two pramANas.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > My response was based on such an understanding.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
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