[Advaita-l] Shortest Sentence in English is a Mahaa Vaakya?

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DearSriSrivathsa Rao
From these Mahavakyas as they are labelled only it is derived that Jagath is Mithya.R.Krishnamoorthy

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> On 16-Mar-2015, at 12:54 pm, Srivathsa Rao via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> 
> Subramanian sir,
>                                What I was asking is...Aham brahmansmi is a
> mahavakhya which directly says I am brahman or athman is
> brahman......Similarly I am asking is there any mahavakhya which directly
> says that this world is illusion or jagath mithya?
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:43 PM, RAMESH RAMANAN via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> 
>> Pranams to Venkatesh Murthyji,
>> i agree with Sreenivasa Murthygaru when he says that the sign itself is
>> not the destination, but only a pointer to a destination. That is why, Sri
>> Ramana dissuaded his disciples from repeating or chanting soham, shivoham,
>> etc., as mantras, instead of pursuing self-enquiry as a discipline. He
>> advised many of his disciples to spare just enough time for self-enquiry,
>> as much as they devote to prayer and meditation and promised them that a
>> diligent and ceaseless practice of self-enquiry would definitely repay
>> one's time spend on it. But your view of considering 'i am' as a Mahavakya
>> is quite interesting. I enjoyed reading your post on the subject. Sri
>> Krishna says in Verse 22 of Chapter 10 of the Srimad Bhagavad Gita:"I am
>> the Consciousness or Intelligence Principle among human beings." Now, when
>> you analyze this carefully, we find that inside our human bodies, we are
>> the consciousness, as we are not the body, mind, intellect or senses.
>> Therefore, as Sri Krishna says that he is the consciousness in human beings
>> and as logically, there can not be two consciousnesses in a single human
>> body, we are absolutely identical with  Sri Krishna, according to this
>> verse. Therefore, though the topic of issue of self-enquiry or atma Vichara
>> is not a new one (many Upanishads do touch upon self-enquiry), we are
>> indebted to Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharishi for expounding it in such great
>> detail, as the same was hidden in aphorisms and in Sanskrit Literature, not
>> easily accessible to all of us.
>> Just some view of mine.
>> 
>> Pranams,
>> Ramesh Ramanan.
>> 
>>     On Monday, 16 March 2015, 12:18, Venkatesh Murthy via Advaita-l <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Namaste
>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:45 AM, sreenivasa murthy <
>> narayana145 at yahoo.co.in
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>>   One can accept it as a mahavakya. But what is the use? It will add
>>> some more weight to the already carrying burden in the mind. That is
>>> all. Does mere acceptance of a mahavakya confer upon him Atmajnaa? Until
>>> and unless one becomes AvRuttacakShuH he cannot cognize the vastu
>>> viz.,one's true svarUpa and thereby he will never get Atmajnana. A
>>> mumukshu's sadhana should be directing his attention to that which exists
>>> prior to the appearance of the varna, word, phrase and sentences.
>>> Do you agree?
>> 
>> I agree words and sentences will not themselves give Atma Jnana because
>> Upanisad also says 'Yato Vacho Nivartante Aprapya Manasa Saha' the Atmaa
>> cannot be described in words and understood by mind. But Mahaa Vaakyas can
>> point to Atmaa.
>> 
>> Like you see a sign in the road. If you follow the sign it will take you
>> destination. But the sign is not the destination. By seeing that sign you
>> cannot say you have reached destination. Similarly the Mahaa Vaakyas should
>> be Heard, Reflected and Meditated. Then you will get Atma Jnana. Following
>> the Sravana, Manana and Nididhyasana of Mahaa Vaakyas will give Atma Jnana.
>> 
>> I agree also simply listening to Mahaa Vaakyas and repeating like it Mantra
>> will not be useful. Reflection and Meditation are very necessary. Without
>> them there will not be Atma Jnana.
>> 
>> In Advaita tradition the Mahaa Vaakyas are playing an important role. The
>> senior Swamiji will give Mahaa Vaakya Upadesha to junior Swamiji. The
>> Brahma Jnana will be from Sravana Manana Nididhyaasana of the Mahaa Vaakya
>> only. Because of this the Swamijis become Jeevan Muktas.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> With warm and respectful regards,
>>> Sreenivasa Murthy
>> 
>> 
>>> 
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>>> *Subject:* [Advaita-l] Shortest Sentence in English is a Mahaa Vaakya?
>>> 
>>> Namaste
>>> 
>>> I got a Whatsapp message from a friend. The shortest sentence in English
>> is
>>> 'I am'. Looking at it I feel it has a Advaita message in it. If you say
>> 'I
>>> am a man', 'I am the son of So and So', 'I am tall', 'I am short', 'I am
>>> fat', 'I am slim', 'I am intelligent', 'I am stupid', 'I am young', 'I am
>>> old', 'I am fair', 'I am dark', 'I am rich', 'I am poor' and so on it is
>>> all because of MAAYAA only. None of the sentences are TRUE.
>>> 
>>> But the sentence 'I am' is TRUE. It is only saying I Exist. It is never
>>> False.
>>> 
>>> What is a Mahaa Vaakya? It must be pointing to the Paaramaarthika Satya
>> but
>>> not Vyaavahaarika Satya. The Upanisad Mahaa Vaakyas are all meeting this
>>> requirement. That is Aham Brahmaasmi, Tat Tvam Asi, Ayam Atmaa Brahma and
>>> Prajnaanam Brahma are all meeting the requirement. They are all pointing
>> to
>>> Brahman the Advaita Reality. The shortest sentence 'I am' is also
>> pointing
>>> to Paaramaarthika Satya Sat. Sat is Pure Existence.
>>> 
>>> Can we accept  'I am' is a Mahaa Vaakya in English?
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> -Venkatesh
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