[Advaita-l] ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Brahman and Avidya - mutually exclusive?

[Ravi Kiran]

Namaste Sri Venkatraghavan

On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Venkatraghavan S <agnimile at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Sri Ravi Kiran,
> Mostly agree with you. On 6, I would say from Brahman's point of view
> there is no avidya.
>
True or from GyAni's point of view

> From avidya's point of view it is located in Brahman, and partially veils
> Brahman.
>
Yes, experience of adhyAsah, while in aGyAna

Thanks

> Regards,
> Venkatraghavan
>  On 23 Jun 2015 19:38, "Ravi Kiran via Advaita-l" <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>> Namaste
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 9:08 PM, Venkatraghavan S via Advaita-l <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Sri Aurobind,
>> > Both Atma gyAna and Atma avidyA are in the vyAvahArika plane only.
>> >
>> > When talk of Atma avidyA removal is made, it is to be understood to
>> mean to
>> > remove the notion that Atma avidyA has any fundamental existence.
>> SAdhana
>> > is needed to realise that SAdhana is not needed.
>> >
>>
>> one can understand that ..
>>
>> 1. avidya or ajnAna and jnAna is for the jIva (antahakarana)  alone
>> 2. Since the jIva is in folded state in deep sleep, there is absolutely no
>> knowing of anything by jIva..
>> 3. The importance of jnAna for a jIva is in jagrat, to remove avidya which
>> is the cause for saMsAra
>> 4. Brahman alone lends the existence to avidya, whose effects are
>> experienced by jIva in waking/dream,
>> as avidya has no existence of its own
>> 5. Brahman and avidya can co-exist, as can be validated in jagrat itself (
>> though Brahman being the svayamprakAsaka
>> nitya shuddha buddha mukta svarupa vastu, a jIva is not knowing It because
>> of avidya )
>> 6. avidya has no veiling or covering effect on Brahman, as its effects are
>> on the upAdhis alone
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> > From a paramArthika point of view, there is nothing to remove, nothing
>> to
>> > be realised, no bandha, no mumukshu, no gyAni. Brahman is ever attained,
>> > hastAmalaka-vat.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Venkatraghavan
>> >
>> >
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