[Advaita-l] ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Rudram chanting in Whitehouse

[Venkatesh Murthy via Advaita-l]

Namaste
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Sujal Upadhyay via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaste,
>
> What does SAstra-s say in case of ApatkAlika-paristhiti (emergency
> situation), as you have mentioned that hardly anyone follows vedic dharma
> strictly.
>
In the Taittiriya Upanishad there is a saying - Yaanyasmaakam Sucharitaani
Taani Tvayopaasyaani No Itaraani.

What the Guruji is doing if it is good action according to Dharma we have
to follow it. But not other actions even if done by Gurus. This means even
in ancient times some Brahmins were doing actions for money and materialist
gains not for Dharma.

In Bhagavata there is a story of Takshaka the Snake giving some bribe to a
Brahmin to go away and allow him to bite Parikshita Raja. Otherwise the
Brahmin could have cured Parikshita. You can say Parikshita died because of
a Bribe. In those days also some Brahmins were greedy for money.

In America if some Veda Ghanapaathis have given Rudram and other Mantra
Upadesha to Mleccha Jatis it is not good according to Dharma. We should not
follow it. We should not mix with such Mlecchas and join them in Chanting.

We should always try level best to follow only Dharmic action but not
others. We cannot give excuse like nobody is following Dharma why should I?




>
>
> OM
>
> Sujal
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 8:52 AM, ravi chandrasekhara via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> > Namaste,
> >
> > To elaborate on what Shri Animesh stated.
> >
> > There was a discussion on this list over 2 years ago regarding Serbians
> > chanting Rudram.  Shri Jaldhar Vyas ponited that reciting without
> adhikara
> > is harmful to the reciter. As per tradition, trivarnika males after
> > upanayana have adhikara for veda chanting. But a teacher will not teach a
> > student if it is discerned that he is not performing Sandhya Vandana and
> > reciting Gayatri.
> >
> > Unfortunately, it appears most of those who chant Vedas are limited to
> > mainly South Indian Braahmanas and that too it appears (from what i see
> in
> > USA) is mainly Tamil Smartha Iyers and SriVaishnava Iyengars. One can
> > notice some Kannada and Telugu Braahmanas. Hardly one notices Bangla,
> North
> > Indian, Gujarati, or Kashmiri Braahmanas. Unfortunately, one cannot say
> > majority of S.I. Braahmanas do this; many do not. Forget about Kshatriya
> > and Vaishya males nowadays, as they barely perform Upanayana is some
> > families.
> >
> > It is the advent of "neo organizations" such as Arya samaj, RK Mission,
> > etc that allow all to chant, but even there the majority are Braahmanas.
> > Straw man arguments are given that Braahmanas are not doing so why cannot
> > anybody else. This leads to further statements that varna is by
> temperment,
> > choosing, occupation, etc and not birth.
> >
> > I have seen in temples in North India such as Vaishno Devi, Kheer
> Bhawani,
> > Badri (purohit is a Nambudiri Braahmana); the purohits wear kurtas. But
> is
> > Nasik, Shirdi, Siddhi Vinayaka in Mumbai it is traditional. At Dwarkadish
> > in Gujarat, the purohits wear read made kacha panche and a modified anga
> > vastra that can be tied like a shirt (I even purchased some at a nearby
> > market).
> >
> > From Hindu Dharma book by Kanchi Paramacharya, if a Dvija has not chanted
> > Gayatri (I suppose by deduction upanayana) for 3 generations; the family
> > becomes Dvija bandhu and subsequent generations have lost adhikara for
> > upanayna, Gayatri, veda chanting, and marriage to Dvijas. Will
> vrAtya-stoma
> > to them ? I suppose this was the reason Shivaji (descendant of Sisodiya
> > Rajputs) wasn't accepted as a Kshatriya as his family had abandoned
> > upanayana for several generations. Perhaps many Shudra jaathis are
> > descendants of Dvija bandhus.
> >
> > Ravi Chandrasekhara
> >
> >
> > On Sunday, October 12, 2014 12:37 AM, Animesh via Advaita-l <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Srī mātre namah
> >
> > Namaste ,
> >
> >
> > I personally believe that Rudram is to be chanted with proper dress code
> > .( wearing pancha kachham, tripundra , rudraksha , tied shikha ,
> performed
> > achmanam, nyasam ) .The smritis are pramana that vedas should be chanted
> in
> > proper mode .
> > My opinion is Americans belongs to mallecha race so in any condition they
> > are not eligible to recite vedas.If bramhans from india settled there are
> > reciting in USA ,than they should perform atonement (prAyachhita ). In
> case
> > of atharvan shrUti , paithinasa  smriti restrict the area i.e. atharvan
> > shrUti  can only be recited in area where krishna-mruga ( black deer  )
> > roam i.e. India or Aryavratta  .I don't know about any of such
> restrictions
> > about other 3 vedas .
> > As Srī Murty ji said even in our north india we wear veshti and uttariyam
> > during vedic rituals , irrespective of weather. But a modern trend of
> > wearing dhotI and kurtA with uttariya is growing up, which is not in
> > accordance with shAstra .
> > We can not convert any other religion's people to vedic dharma .Yet
> > vrAtya- stoma is there for vrAtyas ( patita-sAvitrikAs )  to achive the
> > dwijatva again. Even this ceremony is only for three cast peoples (
> > trai-varnikas ) who had not undergone upanayan at right time .
> >
> > Regards
> > Animesh
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