[Advaita-l] ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Rudram chanting in Whitehouse

[Sujal Upadhyay via Advaita-l]

Namaste,

What does SAstra-s say in case of ApatkAlika-paristhiti (emergency
situation), as you have mentioned that hardly anyone follows vedic dharma
strictly.


OM

Sujal


On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 8:52 AM, ravi chandrasekhara via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaste,
>
> To elaborate on what Shri Animesh stated.
>
> There was a discussion on this list over 2 years ago regarding Serbians
> chanting Rudram.  Shri Jaldhar Vyas ponited that reciting without adhikara
> is harmful to the reciter. As per tradition, trivarnika males after
> upanayana have adhikara for veda chanting. But a teacher will not teach a
> student if it is discerned that he is not performing Sandhya Vandana and
> reciting Gayatri.
>
> Unfortunately, it appears most of those who chant Vedas are limited to
> mainly South Indian Braahmanas and that too it appears (from what i see in
> USA) is mainly Tamil Smartha Iyers and SriVaishnava Iyengars. One can
> notice some Kannada and Telugu Braahmanas. Hardly one notices Bangla, North
> Indian, Gujarati, or Kashmiri Braahmanas. Unfortunately, one cannot say
> majority of S.I. Braahmanas do this; many do not. Forget about Kshatriya
> and Vaishya males nowadays, as they barely perform Upanayana is some
> families.
>
> It is the advent of "neo organizations" such as Arya samaj, RK Mission,
> etc that allow all to chant, but even there the majority are Braahmanas.
> Straw man arguments are given that Braahmanas are not doing so why cannot
> anybody else. This leads to further statements that varna is by temperment,
> choosing, occupation, etc and not birth.
>
> I have seen in temples in North India such as Vaishno Devi, Kheer Bhawani,
> Badri (purohit is a Nambudiri Braahmana); the purohits wear kurtas. But is
> Nasik, Shirdi, Siddhi Vinayaka in Mumbai it is traditional. At Dwarkadish
> in Gujarat, the purohits wear read made kacha panche and a modified anga
> vastra that can be tied like a shirt (I even purchased some at a nearby
> market).
>
> From Hindu Dharma book by Kanchi Paramacharya, if a Dvija has not chanted
> Gayatri (I suppose by deduction upanayana) for 3 generations; the family
> becomes Dvija bandhu and subsequent generations have lost adhikara for
> upanayna, Gayatri, veda chanting, and marriage to Dvijas. Will vrAtya-stoma
> to them ? I suppose this was the reason Shivaji (descendant of Sisodiya
> Rajputs) wasn't accepted as a Kshatriya as his family had abandoned
> upanayana for several generations. Perhaps many Shudra jaathis are
> descendants of Dvija bandhus.
>
> Ravi Chandrasekhara
>
>
> On Sunday, October 12, 2014 12:37 AM, Animesh via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> Srī mātre namah
>
> Namaste ,
>
>
> I personally believe that Rudram is to be chanted with proper dress code
> .( wearing pancha kachham, tripundra , rudraksha , tied shikha , performed
> achmanam, nyasam ) .The smritis are pramana that vedas should be chanted in
> proper mode .
> My opinion is Americans belongs to mallecha race so in any condition they
> are not eligible to recite vedas.If bramhans from india settled there are
> reciting in USA ,than they should perform atonement (prAyachhita ). In case
> of atharvan shrUti , paithinasa  smriti restrict the area i.e. atharvan
> shrUti  can only be recited in area where krishna-mruga ( black deer  )
> roam i.e. India or Aryavratta  .I don't know about any of such restrictions
> about other 3 vedas .
> As Srī Murty ji said even in our north india we wear veshti and uttariyam
> during vedic rituals , irrespective of weather. But a modern trend of
> wearing dhotI and kurtA with uttariya is growing up, which is not in
> accordance with shAstra .
> We can not convert any other religion's people to vedic dharma .Yet
> vrAtya- stoma is there for vrAtyas ( patita-sAvitrikAs )  to achive the
> dwijatva again. Even this ceremony is only for three cast peoples (
> trai-varnikas ) who had not undergone upanayan at right time .
>
> Regards
> Animesh
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