[Advaita-l] Jiiva at Satya Loka - Will He or Won't He come back

[Venkatesh Murthy via Advaita-l]

Namaste,

I searched for अनावृत्ति in the Advaita Sharad website because the last
Brahma Sutra is explaining अनावृत्ति only. But I found some Gita Slokas
with Sankara Bhashya in the Eighth chapter also explaining अनावृत्ति. I am
finding Sankara Bhashya here confusing me.

यत्र काले त्वनावृत्तिमावृत्तिं चैव योगिनः ।
प्रयाता यान्ति तं कालं वक्ष्यामि भरतर्षभ ॥ २३ ॥
भाष्यम्
यत्र काले प्रयाताः इति व्यवहितेन सम्बन्धः । यत्र यस्मिन् काले तु अनावृत्तिम्
अपुनर्जन्म आवृत्तिं तद्विपरीतां चैव । योगिनः इति योगिनः कर्मिणश्च उच्यन्ते,
कर्मिणस्तु गुणतः — ‘कर्मयोगेन योगिनाम्’ (भ. गी. ३-३)
<http://advaitasharada.sringeri.net/php/format.php?bhashya=Gita&page=03&hval=%E2%80%98%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%AF%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%97%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%A8%20%E0%A4%AF%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%97%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%8D%E2%80%99%20%28%E0%A4%AD.%20%E0%A4%97%E0%A5%80.%20%E0%A5%A9-%E0%A5%A9%29#BG_C03_V03>
इति विशेषणात् — योगिनः । यत्र काले प्रयाताः मृताः योगिनः अनावृत्तिं यान्ति,
यत्र काले च प्रयाताः आवृत्तिं यान्ति, तं कालं वक्ष्यामि भरतर्षभ ॥
तं कालमाह —
अग्निर्ज्योतिरहः शुक्लः षण्मासा उत्तरायणम् ।
तत्र प्रयाता गच्छन्ति ब्रह्म ब्रह्मविदो जनाः ॥ २४ ॥ भाष्यम्
अग्निः कालाभिमानिनी देवता । तथा ज्योतिरपि देवतैव कालाभिमानिनी । अथवा,
अग्निज्योतिषी यथाश्रुते एव देवते । भूयसा तु निर्देशो ‘यत्र काले’ ‘तं कालम्’
इति आम्रवणवत् । तथा अहः देवता अहरभिमानिनी ; शुक्लः शुक्लपक्षदेवता ; षण्मासा
उत्तरायणम्, तत्रापि देवतैव मार्गभूता इति स्थितः अन्यत्र अयं न्यायः । तत्र
तस्मिन् मार्गे प्रयाताः मृताः गच्छन्ति ब्रह्म ब्रह्विदो ब्रह्मोपासकाः
ब्रह्मोपासनपरा जनाः । ‘क्रमेण’ इति वाक्यशेषः । न हि सद्योमुक्तिभाजां
सम्यग्दर्शननिष्ठानां गतिः आगतिर्वा क्वचित् अस्ति, ‘न तस्य प्राणा
उत्क्रामन्ति’ (बृ. उ. ४-४-६)
<http://advaitasharada.sringeri.net/php/format.php?bhashya=Brha&page=04&hval=%E2%80%98%E0%A4%A8%20%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF%20%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A3%E0%A4%BE%20%E0%A4%89%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BF%E2%80%99%20%28%E0%A4%AC%E0%A5%83.%20%E0%A4%89.%20%E0%A5%AA-%E0%A5%AA-%E0%A5%AC%29#BR_C04_S04_V06>
इति श्रुतेः । ब्रह्मसंलीनप्राणा एव ते ब्रह्ममया ब्रह्मभूता एव ते ॥
धूमो रात्रिस्तथा कृष्णः
षण्मासा दक्षिणायनम् ।
तत्र चान्द्रमसं ज्योति—
र्योगी प्राप्य निवर्तते ॥ २५ ॥ भाष्यम्
धूमो रात्रिः धूमाभिमानिनी रात्र्यभिमानिनी च देवता । तथा कृष्णः
कृष्णपक्षदेवता । षण्मासा दक्षिणायनम् इति च पूर्ववत् देवतैव । तत्र चन्द्रमसि
भवं चान्द्रमसं ज्योतिः फलम् इष्टादिकारी योगी कर्मी प्राप्य भुक्त्वा
तत्क्षयात् इह पुनः निवर्तते ॥

Question - Why is Adi Sankara saying Brahmopaasaka will die in Sukla Paksha
or day time or suitable times  and never come back here and Karma Kanda
followers will die in Krishna Paksha or night time and come back here? What
is the logic? Some Brahmopaasaka may die in the night. Then he will come
back or not come back? Some Karma Maarga follower may die in the day time
in Sukla Paksha. Then he will come back or not come back?






On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 10:13 AM, V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> In the commentary to the BSB for the very last sutra, the Ratnaprabhā
> clarifies:
>
> For those who have gone to brahmaloka after performing panchāgnividyā,
> ashvamedha, firm brahmacharyā, etc. non-return from that loka is not
> guaranteed since they cannot be said to certainly attain nirguṇa
> brahmavidyā in brahmaloka.
>
> On the other hand, for those who have reached brahmaloka by performing
> īśwaropāsana like daharavidyā, since they can get brahmavidyā there,
> non-return to samsāra is certain.
>
> This can be seen in the above commentary.
>
> regards
> subrahmanian.v
>
>
> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 2:26 AM, kuntimaddi sadananda via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> > PraNAms.  No, it is not I who made that statement. . Please check again.
> >
> > The question I posed was not for somebody going to Satya loka - but about
> > the Viraj himself -Bri. Up says - he was alone and found that he was
> alone.
> > He was afraid and thinking there there is no one else, and then reasoned
> > himself that there is no reason for him to be afraid since there is no
> one
> > else to be afraid of . Hence the scripture makes the famous statement -
> > dviteeyaadvai bhayam bhavati.
> >
> > Scriptures does not say here directly that knowing that I am alone is the
> > knowledge of aham bhramaasmi.
> >
> > Shankara Bhaashya seems to indicate that by self-analysis he has gained
> > the knowledge that I am Brahman. And then Shankara poses a purvapaksha -
> > Who taught Viraj that jnaanam, since there was no teacher to teach Viraj?
> >
> > Even though the purvapaksha was provided, I found that the extensive
> > analysis by Shankara does not address the question posed in the
> > purvapaksha. Hence I was seeking clarification if any one can address
> that.
> > I also mentioned in the same situation in Bhagavatam, Iswara himself
> comes
> > in the form of Hamsa and teaches - that is Hamsa Geeta. This is part of
> > Uddhava Geeta.
> >
> > This does not pertain to krama mukti of jiivas going there that the
> > questionnaire posed here - By their upaasana they do not become Viraj but
> > only go upto Satya loka. To become Viraj one has to extensive upaasanas
> > outlined in Bri. Up or in Tai. Up. In krama mukti the karmas take jiiva
> up
> > to Satya loka and there they have to gain the knowledge  by attending
> > Brahmaji's classes - he takes one class in every 32 years or so, as per
> > Chandogya. Up. Jiiva has to return back if he does not attend Vedanta
> > classes there - aabrahma bhuvanAlokAH punarAvarti nOrujna, says Krishna
> in
> > 8th Ch.
> >
> > My comments were unrelated to the discussion here.
> >
> > Hari Om!
> > Sadananda
> >
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------
> > On Wed, 5/28/14, Jaldhar H. Vyas via Advaita-l <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >
> >  Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Jiiva at Satya Loka - Will He or Won't He come
> > back
> >  To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> >  Date: Wednesday, May 28, 2014, 2:31 PM
> >
> >  On Tue, 27 May 2014,
> >  ramesh badisa via Advaita-l wrote:
> >
> >  > ""I do not think that
> >  > Sagunopaasaka can gain nirguna brahman by
> >  analyzing
> >  >>
> >  >
> >  himself has been endorsed anywhere. Even in krama mukti, the
> >  jiiva in
> >  >> satya loka has to be
> >  exposed to the teaching of
> >  > mahaavaakya
> >  to gain
> >  >>
> >  >
> >  mokha; otherwise he returns back to karma bhuumi- that is
> >  my
> >  >>
> >  >
> >  understanding."" -sri Jaldhar’s reply (dated May
> >  19 or 20, 2014)
> >  >
> >
> >  Actually that was Sadananda.  I agree with you
> >  that the jiva who attains
> >  satyaloka does
> >  not return to samsara.
> >
> >  --
> >
> >  Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar at braincells.com>
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