[Advaita-l] MuktikA Upanishad / MuktikOpanishat cited by srI VidyAraNya svAmI in PanchdaSI

[Sujal Upadhyay]

Ramakrishna had guru, but not during his first sadhana, when the Guru is
most needed. When he had darshan of Maa Kali for first time, he did not
have any Guru, later to establish other paths, he had accepted Guru as per
divine instructions.

I understand what you say and I know that you are not contradicting me.
What I am saying is that generally mind cannot remain stuck into the source
(heart) for long time. Even one mahavakya is enough - is theoretically
true, but I do not think that any human is capable of attain moksha just by
holding to a single thought - I am Brahman. For avatars, anything is
possible :) Laymen do not live on intuitions. We do have thoughts.

With OM, it is different. You have an adhara of mantra. So thoughts,
mantra, thoughts mantra, silence ... -- this continues. It is comparatively
easy. Neti-Neti is difficult than meditating on OM and holding to just one
mahavakya is still more difficult. Infact, I am not aware of any saint who
got realized just by holding to one mahavakya. In neti-neti, you are free
to use as many words as you like or do Self enquiry.

Brother, in meditation, one is generally trying to steady mind and uproot
desires of this life. What about up-rooting desires of past lives? Only
when the vessel has no holes i.e. when nothing of day-2-day life enters
your mind i.e. influences you, then desires of past life begin to uproot.
In this state, mind remains stuck in source and is overpowered by source,
something very deep, strong (Brahman). Then progress is fast as desires are
uprooted very fast. Such a person is rare and achieves success in short
period of time.

Once it is realized in meditation that this world is nothing but projection
of mind and that desires do not have a specific shape, but are unstable
force (energy, shakti), then you enter into thoughtless state, full of
bliss. I do not mean no thoughts, but before thoughts (and desires) take
shape and create a scene or an image, it is uprooted by someone else
(Paramantman) and you as an individual have not hand in this entire
process. It all happens by grace of God. Hence no saint will claim his
credit in success. He will not say, I will remove all obstacles in your
life, surrender to me and you will be free, etc. He will keep directing you
to God.

I am finding it difficult to express. I was never good in expressing myself
:)

OM

Sujal Upadhyay

"To disconnect from the self and to become Aware of anything else is
nothing but unhappiness" - Bhagawan Ramana Maharshi

He who has faith has all
He who lacks faith, lacks all
It is the faith int he name of lord that works wonders
FAITH IS LIFE, DOUBT IS DEATH - Sri Ramakrishna


On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Nithin Sridhar <sridhar.nithin at gmail.com>wrote:

> Ramakrishna did have Guru. In fact 2 Guru's. One Totapuri who initiated him
> in Vedanta and two Bhairavi Brahmani who Initiated into Tantric 64
> sadhanas.
>
> That was not my point. I said before that, "For an Highly Advanced soul",
> even a single Mahavakya is enough. I.e. for simple folks like us, even
> hundreds of scriptures may not be enough if not accompanied by sadhana!
>
> I am not contradicting what you said, in fact supporting your contention!
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Sujal Upadhyay <sujal.u at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Nithin bhai, Sri Ramakrishna Paramhansa did his sadhana and had darshan
> of
> > Maa Kali without any external guru and so did Sri Ramana Maharshi
> realized
> > his true nature without any external Guru. They both are exceptions and
> not
> > rule and both are considered as an avatar. There was no disciple, no
> formal
> > initiation, no external guidance, no vaidhi vidhi, just pure intense
> love,
> > devotion and total surrender.
> >
> > Generally, for human being, just realizing one form of God is enough, but
> > Sri Ramakrishna had a mission to complete, hence he even crossed borders
> of
> > religion, just to prove by practice and experience that all forms of God
> > and all paths are true and valid. an exception is Buddhist way. Though he
> > said that there is no difference between (original) teachings of Lord
> > Buddha and Advaita.
> >
> > SRKP cannot be caged in any sampradAya. SRKP would go into samadhi even
> by
> > listening to any name of God and at times he could even enter into
> samadhi
> > by listening into words which are not said in civil tone. SRKP could see
> > krishna in an English-boy who was standing and leaning on a tree with
> legs
> > crossed and could see Maa Kali even in prostitute. Even if we d not
> > consider him as an avatar, still he and Sri Ramana Maharshi are
> exceptions.
> >
> > Having a glimpse of samadhi and staying 24 x 7 (sahaj) is different.
> >
> > Hari OM
> >
> >
> >
> > OM
> >
> > Sujal Upadhyay
> >
> > "To disconnect from the self and to become Aware of anything else is
> > nothing but unhappiness" - Bhagawan Ramana Maharshi
> >
> > He who has faith has all
> > He who lacks faith, lacks all
> > It is the faith int he name of lord that works wonders
> > FAITH IS LIFE, DOUBT IS DEATH - Sri Ramakrishna
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa went into Nirvikalpa Samadhi within 3 days! He
> > did
> > > not need to study Upanishads etc!
> > >
> > > praNAms
> > > Hare Krishna
> > >
> > > I think it is shankara bhagavatpAda who said 4 chapters in mAndUkya is
> > the
> > > essence of sarva upanishat-s.  Sri Subbu prabhuji any help??
> > >
> > > Hari Hari Hari bol!!!
> > > bhaskar
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