[Advaita-l] Which one is first in the creation sequence

[H S Chandramouli]

Is there any other shruti or bhashya in support of your statement? I am not
questioning your statement, but only looking for its basis in
shruti/bhashya.

Regards


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Namaste
> Karika 2-16 is also saying Jeeva is imagined first and then all other
> objective and subjective things. Jeeva is first imagined in Atma. This
> Jeeva will then imagine the things of the whole world. We can say there is
> a sequence because Jeeva is imagined first.
>
> But after Jeeva is imagined he will imagine the whole universe. The second
> imagination of Jeeva is simultaneous. He will not imagine one thing at a
> time but all things at once. The whole universe is an imagination of Jeeva.
> The Varnas, Rishis, animals, non living things, and even Ishwara is
> imagined by him.
>
> Imagination has infinite speed. If you travel at speed of light you will
> reach nearest star in 4 years. But if you imagine you are there
> immediately. Infinite speed. Like this the whole creation will happen with
> infinite speed because it is imagined only.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:53 AM, H S Chandramouli <
> hschandramouli at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Dear Sri Venkatashamurthyji,
> >
> > You wrote  <<  Creation in Drishti Srishti Vada is simultaneous. Because
> > when That One saw
> > > at that same time simultaneously ALL Creation happened. The Four Varnas
> > and
> > > Rishis, animals, all the worlds and the whole creation happened
> > immediately
> > > and simultaneously.>>
> >
> > Can you please clarify where exactly this has been stated in
> shruti/bhashya
> > ? Prima facie it appears to me to be in contradiction to Karika 2-16 (
> > vaitathya prakarana, verse 16 ). I would be grateful if the verse itself
> > can be elaborated upon.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > chandramouli
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:03 AM, ramesh badisa <badisa66 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Namaskaram.
> > >
> > > At the beginning of email, I would like to seek your forgiveness for
> > > raising a silly question. I could not figure out the answer for myself.
> > So,
> > > I am requesting all members to help me.
> > >
> > > My confusion was related to two Bhagawad Gita slokas -
> > >
> > > 4/13 (chatur varnyam ...)  &
> > > 10/6 (Maharsayah Sapta ..).
> > >
> > > The first sloka talks about four varnas. So, it is obvious that it is
> > > concerned to the creation;
> > >
> > > The second sloka talks about creation of seven great sages by the Lord.
> > > This is also concerned to the creation.
> > >
> > > My confusion was that which one stands first in the creation.
> > >
> > > If you say, "it doesn't matter", then, sorry the matter ends there.
> > >
> > > However, if you would like to help me, please read further.
> > >
> > >
> > > Is it 4/13 first or 10/6 first
> > >
> > > When there is no creation, then, there are no varnas.
> > > Similarly, when seven great sages were born, there are no four varnas
> but
> > > only one varna - the first varna.
> > >
> > > For me, it appears that the classification of varnas by Lord came much
> > > later after the creation. Please correct me if I am wrong.
> > >
> > > Namaskaram,
> > > ramesh
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