[Advaita-l] Narayanaya in Advaita

[H S Chandramouli]

For that matter, they also ask what is the status of Reality of Lord
Krishna himself . We can answer <<like shruti, he is also mithya >> . While
they have no problem in accepting shruti as mithya ( even interpreted as
Unreal ) they do have a mental  obstacle in accepting the same for Lord
Krishna.

Regards


On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:40 PM, H S Chandramouli
<hschandramouli at gmail.com>wrote:

> By << status >> I mean status concerning Reality.
>
> Regards
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:36 PM, H S Chandramouli <
> hschandramouli at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> HS Chandramouli
>>
>> Sri Subrahmanianji wrote
>>
>> << In the Vivekachudamani we have a verse  नारायणोऽहं नरकान्तकोऽहम्...[I
>> am
>> nArAyaNa the slayer of naraka/asura] .where it would hardly be correct to
>> think the name 'nAraayaNa' means the Lord who is the consort of Lakshmi.
>> In Advaita expressions like  नारायणोऽहं , शिवोऽहम् do not refer to the
>> personal God.
>>
>> In the above verse 'nArAyaNa' refers to JnanasvarUpam/akhaNDAkAravRttiH
>> and
>> 'naraka' / narakAsura refers to ignorance/avidyA. >>
>>
>> I am not interpreting any particular verse or shruti vakyas as referring
>> to a specific form/name. All I am saying is that in our puranas there are
>> any number of references to Narayana as residing in Vaikuntha/milky ocean
>> etc. And many of my friends were keen to know the status of such a personal
>> God like Narayana in advaita . That is all.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 10:15 PM, V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> In the Vivekachudamani we have a verse  नारायणोऽहं नरकान्तकोऽहम्...[I am
>>> nArAyaNa the slayer of naraka/asura] .where it would hardly be correct to
>>> think the name 'nAraayaNa' means the Lord who is the consort of Lakshmi.
>>> In Advaita expressions like  नारायणोऽहं , शिवोऽहम् do not refer to the
>>> personal God.
>>>
>>> In the above verse 'nArAyaNa' refers to JnanasvarUpam/akhaNDAkAravRttiH
>>> and
>>> 'naraka' / narakAsura refers to ignorance/avidyA.
>>>
>>> subrahmanian.v
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 7:33 PM, H S Chandramouli
>>> <hschandramouli at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>> > HS Chandramouli
>>> >
>>> > So many shruti vakyas have been cited in this thread to highlight the
>>> > advaitic concept of Narayana. However there are so many references in
>>> our
>>> > shastras , shruti/purana etc , to Narayana with a definite form,
>>> endowed
>>> > with ayudhas/ornaments etc , and involved in so many activities . Many
>>> of
>>> > my advaita friends have always had a doubt on advaita's stand
>>> regarding the
>>> > reality status of this Narayana vis a vis rest of the creation. This
>>> has
>>> > been eulogized so much that while they have no difficulty in accepting
>>> the
>>> > mithyatvam of rest of the creation ( mostly interpreted as
>>> unreal/false )
>>> > same is not so with regard to this Narayana. Sri Ramanujacharya cites
>>> the
>>> > Narayanasukta which according to him refers to this Narayana as the
>>> only
>>> > authoritative shruti to identify the Highest Truth ( supported by Sri
>>> > Vishnumaha Purana ) . Ofcourse in most of their discourses the
>>> dvaitins do
>>> > not forget to mention that advaita does not  accept the reality of even
>>> > such a Narayana !!!!!!!! Perhaps there is a need to answer the question
>>> > with specific reference to this Narayana. I have tried to answer them
>>> as
>>> > follows.
>>> >
>>> > << Narayana as distinct from/different from/ separate from /
>>> independant of
>>> > I the Consciouness is Mithya.
>>> >
>>> >      Narayana as same as / nondifferent from / nondistinct from /
>>> identical
>>> > with I the Consciouness is Sathya  >>
>>> >
>>> > May be better ways are available to answer the question.
>>> >
>>> > Regards
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com
>>> > >wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Namaste
>>> > >
>>> > > The Narayana name is very holy because Mahabharata and Bhagavata say
>>> -
>>> > > Naaraayanam Namaskrutya Naram Chaiva NarOttamam. In Bhagavata the
>>> story
>>> > of
>>> > > Ajamila is given. He was a great sinner. But he called his son's name
>>> > > Narayana at the time of death when Yama Dootas were pulling him but
>>> God
>>> > > Narayana protected him.
>>> > > The Naaraayana Ashtakshari Mantra is compulsory for Vaishnavas. When
>>> they
>>> > > do the Purusha Sukta homa also they say every line from Pursha Sukta
>>> and
>>> > > then Om Namo Naaraayanaaya Swaahaa" after each line. It gives a good
>>> > effect
>>> > > for Purusha Sukta Homa.
>>> > >
>>> > > In Advaita Naaraayana is Brahman only. Narayana Upanishad is saying
>>> > > 'Naaraayana Evedagm Sarvam Yadbhutam Yacca Bhavyam. Nishkalo
>>> Niranjano
>>> > > Nirvikalpo Niraakhyaataha Shuddho Deva Eko Naaraayanaha. Na Dviteeyo
>>> Asti
>>> > > Kashchit. Ya Evam Veda. Sa Vishnureva Bhavati. Sa Vishnureva Bhavati.
>>> > > Everything in past, present and future is Naraayaana only. He who
>>> knows
>>> > > this becomes Vishnu. He becomes Vishnu. The Naaraayana Ashtakshara is
>>> > given
>>> > > next by the Upanishad.
>>> > >
>>> > > Complete text of Upanishad.
>>> > > http://www.sathyasaiottawa.org/pdf/Vedam/Narayana_Upanishad.pdf
>>> > >
>>> > > Namo Naaraayanaaya. Namo Venkateshaaya.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > --
>>> > > Regards
>>> > >
>>> > > -Venkatesh
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