[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Seeking clarification on Bri. Up. Mantra 1-4-2

[Sivakumar,Kollam]

SAdara praNAm

Enquiry about works of Maharshi DurvAsa.
Maharshi DurvAsa is famous for quick temper and hence called krOdha
BhattAraka.
The first hymn on Devi by an earthly being,Arya dwisathi ( Lalitha
stavaratna), is considered to be a work by him.Other works are Sakthi
Mahimna stotram,Swayamvara pArvathi mantra mAlA stotram,and Parasambhu
stuthi.
Those who are aware about the publication of these may kindly enlighten
about it.
Namaste.

*sivakumarr*


On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 9:56 PM, Srirudra <srirudra at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dears
> This word occurs in BG - Aratir Jana samsadhi.Chapter13/stanza10.The
> meaning is dislike for crowds.This chapter deals with Kshetram and
> Kshetrajnan.Vraja occurring in Chapter18/stanza66 means seek/surrender.I
> think it is not viraj.
> We have to take appropriate meaning that fits with the context as same
> words give different meanings for different usages.That is why we are faced
> with the problem of what exactly the composer had in mind when He used such
> a word.R.Krishnamoorthy.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 20-Apr-2014, at 12:21 pm, H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Namaste.
> >
> > << I am not sure of the meaning of the word 'arathi' in the above cited
> > verse.  In the BG there is a usage of this word 'aratiH janasamsadi'
> which
> > means: no taste/desire for congregation.'  The word here is the opposite
> of
> > rati, desire.  Could you pl. clarify? >>
> >
> > " arati " is translated as " want of delight " . In kannada , " besarike
> "
> > . I think the same holds good for the BG context quoted above also. "
> lack
> > of delight in congregation ". " boredom " also perhaps is suitable.
> >
> > In the context of Viraj, the sense of loneliness/want of delight
>  /boredom
> > leads to the desire to Create , in line with his prarabdha karma.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 11:50 AM, V Subrahmanian
> > <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 11:41 AM, H S Chandramouli <
> >> hschandramouli at gmail.com
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dear Sri Kuntimaddiji,
> >>>
> >>> Enjoyment of that position entails the desire ( arathi ) for Creation
> >> also
> >>> . That is how and why he continues to discharge the functions of that
> >>> position even after attaining knowledge. Due to prarabdha karma phala.
> >> This
> >>> is the answer given by the verse 103 << apyuttannatmabodhanam
> >>> adhikaraasamaptitah I aratyadi yatha drishtam tathaiva syaat prajapateh
> >> II
> >>>>> translated as << just as  for those who have attained knowledge
> desire
> >>> etc continue to appear to arise since the adhikara ( prarabdha karma in
> >> my
> >>> understanding ) is not exhausted , even so is the case with Prajapathi
> (
> >>> Viraj in this context ) >>.
> >>>
> >>> Namaste
> >>
> >> I am not sure of the meaning of the word 'arathi' in the above cited
> >> verse.  In the BG there is a usage of this word 'aratiH janasamsadi'
> which
> >> means: no taste/desire for congregation.'  The word here is the
> opposite of
> >> rati, desire.  Could you pl. clarify?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> vs
> >>
> >>
> >>> I presume that answers the issue suitably.
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 4:12 PM, kuntimaddi sadananda <
> >>> kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --------------------------------------------
> >>>> On Sat, 4/19/14, H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Viraj has fear only before knowledge. Not afterwards.The Bhashya next
> >>>> proceeds with the reasons for Viraj feeling " lonely " ( absence of
> >>> Delight
> >>>> ) after gaining knowledge. I am not sure if you are refering to this
> >> when
> >>>> you say << But Bhaashya seems to imply something else, unless I
> >>>> misunderstood its
> >>>> implication. >> Kindly clarify.
> >>>>
> >>>> Have I really addressed any of the points raised by you. I am myself
> >> not
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------
> >>>> Chandaramouliji  - PraNAms .Thanks for the response.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jiiva got the viraj position by the purification of the mind doing the
> >>>> upaasana, say that exemplified in precious chapter of Bri. Up (1-3-28)
> >> on
> >>>> asatoma sadgamaya etc. The upaasana does not give the knowledge of
> >>> oneness
> >>>> by itself. If has gained the knowledge of oneness, that is incomplete
> >>> since
> >>>> he is taking the birth again as Viraj since if he had that knowledge
> of
> >>>> oneness he should be free from birth. In addition the very  desire to
> >>>> become viraj and the subsequent upaasana shows that he did not have
> >>>> knowledge of oneness since desire involves something other than what
> >> one
> >>> is.
> >>>>
> >>>> If he did not have complete knowledge but just enough knowledge
> without
> >>>> any instruction, what kind of knowledge of oneness is that? He knows
> he
> >>> is
> >>>> one without a second, and still feels he is lonely. The loneliness and
> >>> the
> >>>> associated fear comes if one finds there is no other jiivas, but there
> >> is
> >>>> vast world other than himself. The knowledge which he remembered from
> >> the
> >>>> past life (since there was no one to teach viraj) eliminated the fear
> >> but
> >>>> not the loneliness as the subsequent mantras indicated.
> >>>>
> >>>> The objection that was raised was not addressed in the subsequent
> >>>> bhaashya, as I understand. Yet there are pages of bhaashya in response
> >> to
> >>>> the objection raised. Hence my post.
> >>>>
> >>>> Hari Om!
> >>>> Sadananda
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