[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Seeking clarification on Bri. Up. Mantra 1-4-2

[H S Chandramouli]

Namaste.

<< I am not sure of the meaning of the word 'arathi' in the above cited
verse.  In the BG there is a usage of this word 'aratiH janasamsadi' which
means: no taste/desire for congregation.'  The word here is the opposite of
rati, desire.  Could you pl. clarify? >>

" arati " is translated as " want of delight " . In kannada , " besarike "
. I think the same holds good for the BG context quoted above also. " lack
of delight in congregation ". " boredom " also perhaps is suitable.

In the context of Viraj, the sense of loneliness/want of delight  /boredom
leads to the desire to Create , in line with his prarabdha karma.

Regards

Regards


On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 11:50 AM, V Subrahmanian
<v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 11:41 AM, H S Chandramouli <
> hschandramouli at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Dear Sri Kuntimaddiji,
> >
> > Enjoyment of that position entails the desire ( arathi ) for Creation
> also
> > . That is how and why he continues to discharge the functions of that
> > position even after attaining knowledge. Due to prarabdha karma phala.
> This
> > is the answer given by the verse 103 << apyuttannatmabodhanam
> > adhikaraasamaptitah I aratyadi yatha drishtam tathaiva syaat prajapateh
> II
> > >> translated as << just as  for those who have attained knowledge desire
> > etc continue to appear to arise since the adhikara ( prarabdha karma in
> my
> > understanding ) is not exhausted , even so is the case with Prajapathi (
> > Viraj in this context ) >>.
> >
> > Namaste
>
> I am not sure of the meaning of the word 'arathi' in the above cited
> verse.  In the BG there is a usage of this word 'aratiH janasamsadi' which
> means: no taste/desire for congregation.'  The word here is the opposite of
> rati, desire.  Could you pl. clarify?
>
> Thanks
> vs
>
>
> > I presume that answers the issue suitably.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 4:12 PM, kuntimaddi sadananda <
> > kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > --------------------------------------------
> > > On Sat, 4/19/14, H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >  Viraj has fear only before knowledge. Not afterwards.The Bhashya next
> > > proceeds with the reasons for Viraj feeling " lonely " ( absence of
> > Delight
> > > ) after gaining knowledge. I am not sure if you are refering to this
> when
> > >  you say << But Bhaashya seems to imply something else, unless I
> > > misunderstood its
> > >  implication. >> Kindly clarify.
> > >
> > >  Have I really addressed any of the points raised by you. I am myself
> not
> > >
> > > ------------------
> > > Chandaramouliji  - PraNAms .Thanks for the response.
> > >
> > > Jiiva got the viraj position by the purification of the mind doing the
> > > upaasana, say that exemplified in precious chapter of Bri. Up (1-3-28)
> on
> > > asatoma sadgamaya etc. The upaasana does not give the knowledge of
> > oneness
> > > by itself. If has gained the knowledge of oneness, that is incomplete
> > since
> > > he is taking the birth again as Viraj since if he had that knowledge of
> > > oneness he should be free from birth. In addition the very  desire to
> > > become viraj and the subsequent upaasana shows that he did not have
> > > knowledge of oneness since desire involves something other than what
> one
> > is.
> > >
> > > If he did not have complete knowledge but just enough knowledge without
> > > any instruction, what kind of knowledge of oneness is that? He knows he
> > is
> > > one without a second, and still feels he is lonely. The loneliness and
> > the
> > > associated fear comes if one finds there is no other jiivas, but there
> is
> > > vast world other than himself. The knowledge which he remembered from
> the
> > > past life (since there was no one to teach viraj) eliminated the fear
> but
> > > not the loneliness as the subsequent mantras indicated.
> > >
> > > The objection that was raised was not addressed in the subsequent
> > > bhaashya, as I understand. Yet there are pages of bhaashya in response
> to
> > > the objection raised. Hence my post.
> > >
> > > Hari Om!
> > > Sadananda
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