[Advaita-l] Samit Pani

[Nithin Sridhar]

As far as I am aware of, Upanishads say that, he who wishes to take Sanyasa
and practice Moksha-Sadhana, he must take samidha to the Guru. The Sticks
represent the Karmas of the Student. The Guru will burn the stick, their by
burning all the blocking Karmas of the Student. The ritual denotes that
Guru by burning the blocking Karmas of a student, now takes him along the
path to Moksha.

-Nithin


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Namaste
>
> What is the use of taking dried sticks to Acharya? You can say Brahmachari
> has to do Samidhadhana so he can take dried sticks with him. But there is a
> problem in this answer. If he is a householder he has to do Aupasana and
> other homas. For these he will have to use rice and other things. Why he is
> carrying only dried sticks but not other things?
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Swamisarvabhutananda <
> swami.sarvabhutananda at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > OM
> > A sannyAsi does not do HomA.
> > Therefore samit is not required.
> > But brahma chari students have to offer samit in fire.
> > It can be understood that samitpAnihi is either for a Guru who is a
> > gruhasta like some of the Rishis
> > or for the students.
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > > On 27-Oct-2013, at 1:01 pm, kuntimaddi sadananda <
> > kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Venkatesh
> > >
> > > Today at 10:21 AM
> > > Vekakesh:
> > > In C and D the Sanyasi Guru cannot use the Samit sticks.
> > > He should not accept
> > > it because he cannot use it for anything. He cannot light Loukika fire
> > and
> > > keep the body warm. He cannot do Yajnas.
> > > -------------------------------------------------------------
> > > PraNAms
> > > He cannot use anything since he understood that he is infinite. He does
> > not teach also since he sees everything as his own self. However he also
> > understood that all actions are done at the vyaavahaarika level including
> > the teaching to the students that he sees different from his BMI.  He
> also
> > understood that all actions are done by prakRiti only.  prakRityaiva ca
> > karmaaNi kriyamaanaani sarvashaH.. Hence His BMI can use the fire wood
> > since it is required for the teaching and should be in good shape also.
> He
> > also understand the student also should remain healthy in the shivering
> > cold outside.
> > > Advaita is non-duality in spite of apparent duality.
> > > One has understand clearly what brahma satyam and more importantly what
> > jagat mithyaa means.
> > > Anyway I recognize that further discussion does not help.
> > > Hope you would find an satisfactory answer that you want.
> > > Hari Om!
> > > Sadananda
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sunday, October 27, 2013 10:54 AM, Venkatesh Murthy <
> > vmurthy36 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Namaste
> > >>
> > >> There will be two more conditions also.
> > >>
> > >> E Brahmachari disciple with fuel sticks is approaching Householder
> Guru.
> > >>
> > >> F Brahmachari disciple with fuel sticks is approaching Sanyasi Guru.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Venkatesh Murthy <
> vmurthy36 at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Namaste
> > >>>
> > >>> There will be four conditions .
> > >>>
> > >>> A Householder disciple with fuel sticks in hand is approaching
> > householder
> > >>> Guru.
> > >>>
> > >>> B Sanyasi disciple with fuel sticks is approaching householder Guru.
> > >>>
> > >>> C Householder disciple with fuel sticks is approaching Sannyasi Guru.
> > >>>
> > >>> D Sanyasi disciple with fuel sticks is approaching Sanyasi Guru.
> > >>>
> > >>> In these A and B conditions the Householder Guru can use the Samit
> fuel
> > >>> sticks for his Yajnas because he is maintaining a Agni for that
> > purpose. In
> > >>> C and D the Sanyasi Guru cannot use the Samit sticks. He should not
> > accept
> > >>> it because he cannot use it for anything. He cannot light Loukika
> fire
> > and
> > >>> keep the body warm. He cannot do Yajnas.
> > >>>
> > >>> But Upanisads are saying disciples are always approaching Guru with
> > fuel
> > >>> sticks in hand. Why? This is the puzzling question. Can we say in
> > ancient
> > >>> days all Brahma Jnanis were householders only? Adi Sankara started
> the
> > >>> Sanyasi Brahma Jnani sampradaya? But why he started it? Why he was
> not
> > >>> happy with householder Jnanis? Why he thinks only Sanyasis can have
> > Brahma
> > >>> Jnana?
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 4:04 AM, V Subrahmanian <
> > v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Venkata sriram P
> > >>>> <venkatasriramp at yahoo.in>wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Namaste,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Our dharma says that one should never approach elders (guru &
> > acharya)
> > >>>>> empty-handed.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Dear Sriram ji,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> In the Anandagiri gloss for the bhashya on the said Mundaka mantra
> > 1.2.12,
> > >>>> it is said: 'samitpANiH iti vinayopalakShaNam.'  [The expression
> > >>>> 'samitpANiH' is a representative indication for the humility of the
> > >>>> aspirant approaching the Guru].  The editor Sri Subrahmanya Sastri
> in
> > the
> > >>>> foot note says:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> // By the word 'brahmaniShTha' the BhashyakAra indicates that he is
> a
> > >>>> sannyAsin.  Then, what is the use of going to such a one with samit
> > which
> > >>>> is of no use to him? In order to answer this Anandagiri says that it
> > is an
> > >>>> upalakShaNa, representative indication, to the aspirant's vinaya,
> > >>>> humility.  SamitpANitvam on the part of the aspirant will be
> directly
> > >>>> appropriate in the case of those householder-brahmaniShTha-s such as
> > >>>> Janaka, yAjnavalkya and angiras. //
> > >>>>
> > >>>> One another explanation I have heard is: the samit, dried sticks,
> are
> > >>>> indicative of the sishya's readiness to subject himself to the
> > rigours of
> > >>>> brahmavidyA and receive it successfully just as dried sticks will
> > >>>> immediately burn when put in fire.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> regards
> > >>>> subrahmanian.v
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Having submitted the appropriate sambhAvana to the Acharya either
> in
> > the
> > >>>>> form of phala, dhana, vastu etc., one should seek their blessings
> > which
> > >>>> is
> > >>>>> called "AsheevAdaM".  This is maNgaLa-sUchaka.
> > >>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>> Archives: http://lists.advaita-vedanta.org/archives/advaita-l/
> > >>>> http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.advaita
> > >>>>
> > >>>> To unsubscribe or change your options:
> > >>>> http://lists.advaita-vedanta.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/advaita-l
> > >>>>
> > >>>> For assistance, contact:
> > >>>> listmaster at advaita-vedanta.org
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Regards
> > >>>
> > >>> -Venkatesh
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Regards
> > >>
> > >> -Venkatesh
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Archives: http://lists.advaita-vedanta.org/archives/advaita-l/
> > >> http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.advaita
> > >>
> > >> To unsubscribe or change your options:
> > >> http://lists.advaita-vedanta.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/advaita-l
> > >>
> > >> For assistance, contact:
> > >> listmaster at advaita-vedanta.org
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Archives: http://lists.advaita-vedanta.org/archives/advaita-l/
> > > http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.advaita
> > >
> > > To unsubscribe or change your options:
> > > http://lists.advaita-vedanta.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/advaita-l
> > >
> > > For assistance, contact:
> > > listmaster at advaita-vedanta.org
> > _______________________________________________
> > Archives: http://lists.advaita-vedanta.org/archives/advaita-l/
> > http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.advaita
> >
> > To unsubscribe or change your options:
> > http://lists.advaita-vedanta.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/advaita-l
> >
> > For assistance, contact:
> > listmaster at advaita-vedanta.org
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Regards
>
> -Venkatesh
> _______________________________________________
> Archives: http://lists.advaita-vedanta.org/archives/advaita-l/
> http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.advaita
>
> To unsubscribe or change your options:
> http://lists.advaita-vedanta.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/advaita-l
>
> For assistance, contact:
> listmaster at advaita-vedanta.org
>