[Advaita-l] Samit Pani

[Venkatesh Murthy]

Namaste

There will be four conditions .

A Householder disciple with fuel sticks in hand is approaching householder
Guru.

B Sanyasi disciple with fuel sticks is approaching householder Guru.

C Householder disciple with fuel sticks is approaching Sannyasi Guru.

D Sanyasi disciple with fuel sticks is approaching Sanyasi Guru.

In these A and B conditions the Householder Guru can use the Samit fuel
sticks for his Yajnas because he is maintaining a Agni for that purpose. In
C and D the Sanyasi Guru cannot use the Samit sticks. He should not accept
it because he cannot use it for anything. He cannot light Loukika fire and
keep the body warm. He cannot do Yajnas.

But Upanisads are saying disciples are always approaching Guru with fuel
sticks in hand. Why? This is the puzzling question. Can we say in ancient
days all Brahma Jnanis were householders only? Adi Sankara started the
Sanyasi Brahma Jnani sampradaya? But why he started it? Why he was not
happy with householder Jnanis? Why he thinks only Sanyasis can have Brahma
Jnana?

On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 4:04 AM, V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Venkata sriram P
> <venkatasriramp at yahoo.in>wrote:
>
> > Namaste,
> >
> > Our dharma says that one should never approach elders (guru & acharya)
> > empty-handed.
> >
>
> Dear Sriram ji,
>
> In the Anandagiri gloss for the bhashya on the said Mundaka mantra 1.2.12,
> it is said: 'samitpANiH iti vinayopalakShaNam.'  [The expression
> 'samitpANiH' is a representative indication for the humility of the
> aspirant approaching the Guru].  The editor Sri Subrahmanya Sastri in the
> foot note says:
>
> // By the word 'brahmaniShTha' the BhashyakAra indicates that he is a
> sannyAsin.  Then, what is the use of going to such a one with samit which
> is of no use to him? In order to answer this Anandagiri says that it is an
> upalakShaNa, representative indication, to the aspirant's vinaya,
> humility.  SamitpANitvam on the part of the aspirant will be directly
> appropriate in the case of those householder-brahmaniShTha-s such as
> Janaka, yAjnavalkya and angiras. //
>
> One another explanation I have heard is: the samit, dried sticks, are
> indicative of the sishya's readiness to subject himself to the rigours of
> brahmavidyA and receive it successfully just as dried sticks will
> immediately burn when put in fire.
>
> regards
> subrahmanian.v
>
> >
> > Having submitted the appropriate sambhAvana to the Acharya either in the
> > form of phala, dhana, vastu etc., one should seek their blessings which
> is
> > called "AsheevAdaM".  This is maNgaLa-sUchaka.
> >
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Regards

-Venkatesh