[Advaita-l] I am Alone in the Universe?

[Venkatesh Murthy]

Namaste Sri Srivastava

Yes I agree the body and mind of this dreaming Jeeva are also dream
objects. If body and mind are real there will be Duality.
As a matter of fact because the Jeeva is thinking he has a body and
mind he is dreaming. He has to get the realization he is not body or
mind. But this can be from the dream Guru and studying the dream works
of Vedanta.


On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 11:30 AM, S Srivastava <sksrivastava68 at gmail.com> wrote:
> But Jeeva is saying I am Alone in Universe because all these people I
>> am seeing and things and the Universe I am seeing itself is my dream.
>> There is no proof for these people being actually real.
>
>
> Sir: This point needs to be further elaborated to avoid Advaita ending up
> in solipsism.
>
> It is correct that there is no proof for "these" people being actually
> real. However there is no proof either for this particular body and mind to
> be actually real. In dream I have a different body and a different mind. In
> deep sleep I have neither any body nor any mind.
>
> All I can say for sure is that something is being experienced right now.
> Sat and Chit aspect of experiencing are self evident and do not need any
> proof. No one can convince you otherwise because it is known immediately.
>
> All other experience -including that of this body mind- is made up of
> sensations and thoughts and images as they appear in  awareness. There is
> no way to ascertain if there is any real "thing-in-itself" corresponding to
> each of them. Apart from these appearances in I awareness there is nothing
> that I have ever experienced in past or will ever experience in future.
> Belief in the existence of any reality independent of "I" awareness is just
> that - a belief.
>
> In fact even to say that all that I experience is appearances in my I
> awareness is saying too much. The feeling of I experiencing something is
> also part of the same experiencing - appearing as though it is a separate
> entity experiencing the experienced. There is no center in this
> experiencing. The feeling that the body or the part behind the brows
> is experiencer is part of the total experience.
>
>
>
>> They are not
>> Jeevas like me. They look like me they talk like me they behave like
>> me but they are dream objects. My parents and wife and children are
>> dream objects.
>
>
> Sure. But what about the body which is seeing these words and the mind that
> is interpreting the meaning of these words? Are they real or unreal? As
> long as they appear real, the parents and wife and children are also real.
>
> praNAm
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Regards

-Venkatesh