[Advaita-l] Real vs. Unreal

[Venkatesh Murthy]

Namaste Mitrani
Previously we have discussed Satya and Mithya here. You can see in the
archives. There is nothing like Mithya in Paramartha. Everything is Satya
only. Even if you see a stone lying on the road it is the same Brahman like
Brahman in you and me.  Because Advaitis have stressed Mithyatva very much
it has become a negative philosophy. Everybody is saying Advaitis are
Mayavadis. They are obsessed with Maya. They are thinking of Maya always
instead of Brahman.

vidyAvinayasampanne brAhmaNe gavi hastini .
shuni chaiva shvapAke cha paNDitAH samadarshinaH .. 5\-18.

The Pandita is seeing same Brahman in Brahmin, cow, elephant, dog,
dogeating Chandala and in eveyrthing. Jagat is Satya because it has Brahman
basis. Brahman is supporting the world. Now it is a positive philosophy.
The same Upanishads are saying Neti Neti and also Sarvam Khalu Idam Brahma
and Tvam Anandamayas Tvam Brahma Mayaha. We have to take the positive
aspect. Instead of meditating on Maya we should meditate on Brahman.




On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 9:33 PM, Nithin Sridhar <sridhar.nithin at gmail.com>wrote:

> Oh Okay. :) In his speech, he clarifies on the definition of Satya and
> Mithya.
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Sujal Upadhyay <sujal.u at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Nitin: Please check this Anugraha Bhashanam by Sringeri Shankaracharya
> > Bharati Thirta Swamiji- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJGnpVIQ1-k
> >
> > Unfortunately, I cannot understand south Indian language. I am Gujarati.
>  I
> > will have to rely on translation of the above link and other discources
> > like 'Understanding advaita and mithyA'
> >
> > Difference for Jivan mukta adn Videha mukta is perceived by us, not by a
> > Jivan mukta or videha mukta. No change happens in his state of
> > consciousness, it does not matter if body remains or not.
> >
> > Aum
> >
> >
> >
> > OM
> >
> > Sujal Upadhyay
> >
> > "To disconnect from the self and to become Aware of anything else is
> > nothing but unhappiness" - Bhagawan Ramana Maharshi
> >
> > He who has faith has all
> > He who lacks faith, lacks all
> > It is the faith int he name of lord that works wonders
> > FAITH IS LIFE, DOUBT IS DEATH - Sri Ramakrishna
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Nithin Sridhar <
> sridhar.nithin at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Sujal ji,
> > >
> > > I agree with the last part that, for a Jivanmukta, the body or any
> other
> > > non-self does not exist as non-self, but he perceives them as Self
> alone.
> > > His perception of duality is superseded by the realization of Oneness
> > > attained due to Jnana.
> > >
> > > I feel, the only difference between Jivanmukta and Videhamukta is that,
> > the
> > > former maintains an apparent existence apart from Brahman for sake of
> > world
> > > and the latter renounces even such an apparent existence.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Sujal Upadhyay <sujal.u at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear Nitin bhai,
> > > >
> > > > I think unreal does not mean mithyA. Or say what is the english word
> > for
> > > > asatya?
> > > >
> > > > Satya = Real / truth
> > > > asatya = ?
> > > > mithyA (in between) = ? - that which is transient experience.
> > > >
> > > > My English is poor
> > > >
> > > > Also what is the difference between anitya and mithyA?
> > > >
> > > > According to my understanding, anitya means that which is non-self
> and
> > is
> > > > perishable. So if I destroy a cloth, it's irreversible end product is
> > > ash,
> > > > which is visible.
> > > >
> > > > While in snake-rope analogy, when snake disappears, it does not leave
> > any
> > > > trace, like it's curved path, etc.
> > > >
> > > > Adi Shankara in Tatva Bodh defines both anitya and mithya separately.
> > > >
> > > > In Jnana Drishti, the world is negated and not destroyed. that is
> > > nirvikalp
> > > > samadhi. Then there is another word, satvam khalu-idam brahma. 'Idam'
> > :)
> > > >
> > > > Sri Ramana Maharshi says, when you look at shadow, then sun is not
> > > visible,
> > > > when you look at sun, you cannot see shadow. Similarly, when you
> > clearly
> > > > experience this world, you do not experience Brahman. when you
> clearly
> > > > experience Brahman which world is not visible.
> > > >
> > > > Body is Jnani is Jnana itself (consciousness). It is not physical
> body,
> > > but
> > > > the substratum of entire universe is his body (i.e. Brahman).
> > > >
> > > > Aum
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > OM
> > > >
> > > > Sujal Upadhyay
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-Venkatesh