[Advaita-l] Apaurusheyatva of Vedas.

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On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 03:33, Dr. Yadu Moharir <ymoharir at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Namaste:
>
> Instead of debating whether Veda is to be called apauruSheya or whether it
> remains in the realm of pauruSheya?  How come no one wants to discuss what
> is the exact knowledge discussed there under?
>

We can't come there, because if it is not pramANam we will be getting
nothing and wasting our life.


>
> Is that knowledge going to change in any shape form or manner?
>

Sure, it will change.
Don't you start following elders when you determine that they speak truth
and wish your good ?
Same is in this case. Once veda-s are determined as pramANam (because they
are apauruSheya), we will start thinking meaning of it and following it.


>
> ApauruSheya vaada is quite ancient.  Has anything come out of those
> deliberations? Except for feeling great that Veda's are great?


Actually this question shows that you are a pure believer.


> Why does no one address anything out it's use to the present?
>

Traditionalists have different approach to veda-s than you. They are using
them in their daily life.
Your lack of knowledge doesn't prove that it's not used.
If you mean that veda-s are not used according to your view, then I will
like to say that there are very few chances that your view will get hold of
traditionalist.


>
> IMHO - All knowledge is for the living and it is our responsibility to
> discover the corrosponding applications.
>
> Can someone tell us
>        1. Whether there is any knowledge in Veda?
>

Yes.

       2. Is that knowledge aqpplicable to the humans or humanity?
>

Yes.


>        3. Advaitn often say become ONE with Him ?What does it really mean?
>

You will need to study vedAntam.


>        4. In one of theses post it was stated that there on only one mantra
> has survived?  Can some one elaborate on this?
>

I don't know.


>        5. If Veda has no meaning then what is the use of Veda?  Why gloat
> on this "Veda's are Great"?
>

Who told. I don't think anyone who is a part of discussion said it.
veda-s are great, because they are apauruSheya and hence mean of valid
knowledge.


>        6. I agree that we have lost the meaning or understanding of
> various rituals that specifically talk about the specific "Viniyoga".
>

It may be. But, we have saved many.
I read your post somewhere about 'viniyoga'. I can't say that it was in
accordance to tradition.


> However, if the Advatin position is that Veda is totally useless  then
> educate us on what is the use or application of advaita
>

That's not the case.
Those advaitins who say such are useless or else they mean something
different.


>        3. What is point of talking in vacuum of Brahman that gets
> classified under anirvacaniiya?
>

It doesn't appear that you want to know our stand. It feels that you have
reached determination already. So, plain answers for you is:
No use for you, sir.


>        4. What is poi is taking about madhyamaa, para paShyanti while
> having no desire to understand vaikhari?
>

We will come to vaikharI later.


>        5. Most of the Vedanti, on this list have already announced that
> they have nothing to
> do with Veda and have no desire to understand them.  (I have several
> private communications that boil down this general essence).
>

If they really meant it then they are not aupaniShada-s. They are just
believers.
If they don't, then you were unable to understand.


>            7. Finally,
> whose responsibility should that be to explore the possible application
> to the present for the benefit for the society at large.
>

If it is different from tradition, then definitely not ours.


>        9. Knowledge
> that is found there is is even applicable today and most likely remain
> applicable for the future generations.


Same is the case of traditional explanation of veda-s.


>
>        10. Finally, svarga is not a separate place, we have to create it on
> this earth with our own efforts.
> Bhaagavata puraana
>
> 03300291 atraiva narakaH svarga iti mAtaH prachakShate
>
> Here, Sage Kapila tells his mother, Devahuti that  heaven and hell is our
> creation that we experience is result of our own deeds.  Essentially, we
> have to lie in the bed we make
>

If you read before and after this part of verse, you will find many
evidences to oppose your own view.


> moksha na hi vaa.asosti na graamantarame va | aJ~naana hR^idaya gra.nthiH
> naasho moksha iti smR^ita || shiva giitaa  13.32 ||
>
> Here it is the elimination of gland (granthi) that secretes the ignorance
> (knowledge that is not correct).  See if we eliminate the source of
> ignorance then there is no possibility of error.  Thus the salvation,
> essentially one does not have to keep on making the same mistakes.  You can
> never reach a different place by going on the same path.
>

We are doing according tradition. Sorry, that we are not following your
newer views.