[Advaita-l] vedic yajna

[Sivakumar Ramakrishnan]

SAdara prAnaM,
Thanks a lot for the prompt reply.
*sivakumarr*,

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Sunil Bhattacharjya <
sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Pranam,
>
> To my knowledge the work of Vaidyanatha Dikshiteris followed in the
> Southern part of the country like the Nirnayasindhu and Nirnayasindhu are
> followed in the Northern part of India. I have the Nirnayasindhu and the
> Dharmasindhu but not the work of Vaidyanatha Dikshiter. You may contact
> M/s, Giri Trading Agency, Kapaleeswarar Sannathi Street, Mylapore, Chennai
> - 600 004 or any other reputed book suppliers.
>
> Sunil KB
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Sivakumar Ramakrishnan <sivanr8010 at gmail.com>
> To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2011 4:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] vedic yajna
>
> Sadara praNAmam,
> Would you please let me know about the
> availability of Vaidyanatha Dikshiter's
> work on Dharmasastra?
> *sivakumarr.*
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 7:22 AM, Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Namaste
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Sunil Bhattacharjya
> > <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Then why not see the Dharmasundhu, which was written two centuries
> later
> > than the Nirnayasindhu and specially because it  is even nearer to our
> time
> > and if you think that nearness to our time is the most important thing
> tyo
> > be onsidered ? Following your logic probably Kane's work also can claim
> to
> > have a higher status than both the Niraayasindhu and the Dharmasindhu.
> This
> > will show the fallacy in your argument. I find your equating the
> > Nirnayasindhu with the original Darmashastra texts somewhat strange.
> > >
> > Dharmasindhu is  a Dharmasastra textbook but someone has to show it
> > contradicts Nirnaya Sindhu in beef eating. Where is the evidence? Your
> > argument has a fallacy if you are saying we have to see Kane's work.
> > Sistachara. What are the Sistas doing? We have to follow them. The
> > followers of Hindu Dharma are looking at Nirnaya Sindhu and other
> > Dharma Sastra books like Vaidyanatha Dikshitiya but they are not
> > looking at Kane for practical use. Whenever they have doubts in Dharma
> > Sistas are giving high respect to Vaidyanatha Dikshitiya and other
> > books. They are keeping them in Puja room. Kane's book is for western
> > people and educated people to read in English. His opinion may or may
> > not be right.
> >
> > If you show Dharmasindhu and Vaidyanatha Dikshitiya allows Beef eating
> > in Kali Yuga I will congratulate you and accept it.
> >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > >
> > > Sunil KB
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >  From: Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com>
> > > To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 2:07 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] vedic yajna
> > >
> > > Namaste
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Sunil Bhattacharjya
> > > <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> Namaste,
> > >>
> > >> I am surprised that you have not got what I wrote in very simple
> > English. I
> > >> said that whatever Kamalakara Bhatta wrote on beef-eating some 400
> > years ago
> > >> in his compendium, has to be substantiated by you if you are banking
> on
> > the
> > >> statement of Kamalakara Bhatta. This is in  no way any derogation or
> > >> aspersion on Nirnayasindhu, in its position as a secondary authority.
> > >>
> > > Nirnaya Sindhu prohibition of Beef need not have to be substantiated
> > > at all because a Dharma Sastra book is based on Sruti, Smruti, Purana,
> > > Itihasa and Sistachara only. Otherwise no one will call it as a Dharma
> > > Sastra book. Any person challenging it will have to produce evidence
> > > to show it is wrongly prohibiting Beef. No body in this list has done
> > > it so far.
> > >
> > >> Did you by any chance think that Brihadaranyaka gave a general
> sanction
> > for
> > >> beef-eating? I personally think that Bhishma was right when he said
> that
> > >> meat was offered in yajna by dhoortas.
> > >>
> > > I am repeating earlier statements. We have to follow Sruti keeping
> > > respect for Desha and Kala Dharma also. If Brihadaranyaka has beef
> > > eating rituals we have to respect Desha and Kala Dharma from books
> > > like Nirnaya Sindhu and avoid beef in that ritual. It does not mean we
> > > have to not perform the ritual but it must be changed to suit our
> > > times.
> > >
> > >> Regards,
> > >>
> > >> Sunil KB
> > >>
> > >> ________________________________
> > >> From: Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com>
> > >> To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>; A discussion
> > group
> > >> for Advaita Vedanta <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> > >> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 8:38 PM
> > >>
> > >> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] vedic yajna
> > >>
> > >> Namaste
> > >>
> > >> It is not impossible for people more knowledgeable than Nirnaya Sindhu
> > >> author to be available. But we have to see some evidence. Some person
> > >> X cannot come and say Nirnaya Sindhu prohibition of Beef in Kali Yuga
> > >> is not correct without giving evidence he is more qualified. I am
> > >> asking where is the evidence? He can also give a counter saying from
> > >> another scholar  more qualified. AFAIK no scholar has given evidence
> > >> why Nirnaya Sindhu must not be followed.
> > >>
> > >> I already gave Vedic reference from Yajur Veda 'cows are not to be
> > >> killed' but people are ignoring it. The Vedas will not say do this in
> > >> Kali Yuga and do this in other Yugas. It is the duty of the Smrutis to
> > >> say that.
> > >>
> > >> It is dumb to say our ancestors Rishis were eating meat so we can eat
> > >> it. The conditions and environment in those days were different. Now
> > >> it is different. If we say Rishis were eating meat so we can eat we
> > >> must be prepared to do other things they were doing also. They were
> > >> doing Tapas without food and water for many years. Are you prepared to
> > >> that? No. Then why say we can eat meat because Rishis were eating. If
> > >> you say our ancestors were eating meat in Yajnas. Are you prepared to
> > >> do Yajnas continuously for many days? Do you have stamina and patience
> > >> to do that? No. Then why say we can eat meat like our ancestors. It is
> > >> hypocrisy.
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Sunil Bhattacharjya
> > >> <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >>> Dear Venkateshji,
> > >>>
> > >>> You said
> > >>> Quote
> > >>>> these things in a clear way without room for any ambiguity.  But I
> do
> > The
> > >>>> Nirnaya Sindhu author
> > >>>
> > >>> Kamalakara Bhatta read all the Vedas the Smrutis, the Puranas and
> more
> > >>> before writing in Kali Yuga
> > >>>
> > >>> Beef is Banned. He knew what you have written and more.  Do you think
> > you
> > >>> are more knowledgeable
> > >>>
> > >>> than him? If yes how?
> > >>>
> > >>> Unquote
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> It is not impossible that people more knowledgeable than Kamalakara
> > Bhatta
> > >>> may be available today.
> > >>>
> > >>> Secondly, One must give the original reference in a debate. After all
> > the
> > >>> Nirnayasindhu is a sort of
> > >>>
> > >>> compendium and it has only secondary authority. So one must cite the
> > >>> original reference to the vedic exts
> > >>>
> > >>> including the Smritis.
> > >>>
> > >>> Regards,
> > >>>
> > >>> Sunil KB
> > >>>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > -Venkatesh
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