[Advaita-l] A help required regarding some Sanskrit words

[V Subrahmanian]

Many thanks Naresh for the illustrative input.

 With respect to this:
//निरवद्यम् = निर्गतम् अवद्यम् (दोषः) यस्मात् तत् = that from which
faults have gone.//

there seems to be a problem:  In the very popular Sri Venkateshwara
SuprabhAtam there is a mangala shloka:

नित्याय निरवद्याय सत्यानन्दचिदात्मने ।
 सर्वान्तरात्मने श्रीमद्वेङ्कटेशाय मङ्गलम् ॥

Here if we apply the explanation provided above, there will be asvArasya,
rasAbhAsa.  No bhakta would like to admit that the Lord had some doSha
before and that has now gone from Him.

I think there is an Upanishadic mantra too that ends with ......निरवद्यं
निरञ्जनम्   Here too that problem will have to be encountered.

Long ago I was told that निष्ठा is नितरां स्थितिः .

What would you suggest the meaning of निरुक्तम् to be?

Some more possibilities, subject to someone's correction, are:

निःशेषं उक्तम्, निर्धार्य उक्तं, निर्णीय उक्तं, निःशङ्कमुक्तम्, etc.  From
the rule you have provided, निः and नि, I think the latter is ruled out for
निरुक्तम्, for, it looks like there is निर् here.

Best regards,
subrahmanian.v



On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Naresh Cuntoor <nareshpc at gmail.com> wrote:

> Avyayas seem to be getting mixed up here. There are two different avayayas
> -
> निः = निस् / निर् and  नि .
>
> Depending on context they take different meanings, e.g.,
>
> निः पृथक्करणे (निष्कासयति ) ; खेदे (निर्वेदः, निर्विण्णः) ; बहिष्कृतौ
> (निराकरोति) ; वियोगे (निर्गतः) ; दर्शने (निर्दिष्टम् )  ; सुखे
> (निर्वृत्तिः)
>
> नि स्वापे (निद्रा), श्रुतौ (निशाम्यति), कौशले (निपुणः), आज्ञायाम्
> (नियोगः) सामीप्ये (निकटः), परीक्षायाम् (निरूपकः), उपवेशे (निषीदति )
>
> The above list is not exhaustive.
>
> Regarding the OP's question, there is a subtle different in meanings.
> For example,
>
> अनपेक्षः  - निरपेक्षः  (not longing for anything)
> अनवद्यं   - निरवद्यं  (faultless)
>
> (a) अनपेक्षः = न विद्यते अपेक्षा यस्य सः = one without expectations
> (b) निरपेक्षः = निर्गता अपेक्षा यस्मात् सः = one who has lost expectations.
>
> The difference is that in (b) the implication is that expectations
> were part of him. At some point, he got rid of them. In (a), that is
> not necessarily the case. By nature he could have been free from
> expectations.
>
> अनवद्यं   - निरवद्यं  (faultless)
> अवद्यम् = न वद्यम् = दोषः
> अनवद्यम् = न विद्यते अवद्यं (दोषः) यस्य तत् (double negative)= one
> without faults
> निरवद्यम् = निर्गतम् अवद्यम् (दोषः) यस्मात् तत् = that from which
> faults have gone.
>
> I suppose one could say that all nirapekShas are anapekShas, but not
> all anapekShas are nirapekShas.
>
>
>
>
> Naresh
> vaak.wordpress.com
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 5:06 AM, Siva Senani Nori <sivasenani at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > Sir
> >
> > The key is "nishkritya" which itself is the combination of ni + kritya.
> ni / nih (the form to be used depending on  rules of sandhis, compounds
> etc.) is an upasarga which means "well, properly, perfectly etc." as in
> nidhana, nidarSana, niveSa (the hindi word, niveS is from this form) or more
> familiarly abhi-ni-veSa and so on. There is another upasarga (if you
> consider the tails sometimes attached to such words) or a different set of
> meanings (the modern preference of presentation) for ni / nih, meaning not
> and variations thereof, which is found in nishkAma, nirmala, nishkalanka,
> nirupama, nirapeksha, niravadyam etc. For many of these, instead of ni /
> nih,  "a / an" may be prefixed to get the same meaning as in amala, anupama
> etc. I cannot think of any examples, where the words formed by 'ni' and 'a'
> combining with the same adjective result in slightly differing shades of
> meanings, but that cannot be ruled out.
> >
> > In light of the above, niruktam is well said.
> >
> > Regards
> > Senani
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
> > To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> > Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 6:38:52 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] A help required regarding some Sanskrit words
> >
> > Namaste.
> >
> > I recalled that  the word निरुक्तं is found in the Taittiriya Upanishad:
> > निरुक्तं चानिरुक्तं च (2.6.1).  The bhashyam is: निरुक्तं नाम निष्कृष्य
> > समान-असमानजातीयेभ्यः देशकालविशिष्टतया इदं तत् इत्युक्तम्..(niruktam is
> that
> > which is definable with specific characteristics..)
> >
> > Now, niruktam is 'something well said'.  It appears almost certain that
> this
> > word does not mean 'unsaid' or 'poorly said'.
> >
> > I still welcome inputs on this topic.
> >
> > Om Tat Sat
> >
> > On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 10:49 PM, V Subrahmanian <
> v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Namaste.
> >>
> >> Here are some pairs of words:
> >>
> >> अनपेक्षः  - निरपेक्षः  (not longing for anything)
> >> अनवद्यं  - निरवद्यं  (faultless)
> >> अनवकाशः  - निरवकाशः (bereft of occasion)
> >> अनुक्त.... -  निरुक्त... (not the VedAnga) (unsaid)
> >>
> >> By the way, is the word निरुक्त used in a compound like:
> निरुक्ततात्पर्यम्
> >> ? (to mean: unsaid purport)
> >>
> >> Is there any difference in the meanings of the words in each of the
> pairs?
> >> If so what is the difference?
> >>
> >> Om Tat Sat
> >>
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