[Advaita-l] FW: Avidya, Jnanis and SSS' views

[V Subrahmanian]

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com> wrote:
> Bhaskar,
>
> praNAms Sri Ravi prabhuji
> Hare Krishna
>
> Standpoint 1: eka jiva vaada
>
> 1a. Only sadyomukti
> 1b. No jivanamukti
> 1c. No avidyalesha
>
>
> Standpoint 2: aneka jiva vaada
>
> 2a. There is jivanamukti
> 2b. There is avidyalesha
>
>>  And here also I dont think there can be any possibility of
> avidyAlesha..though we can talk of nAnA jeeva vAda it is only from the
> drushti of multiple upAdhi-s or from the point of individual
> upAdhi/antaHkaraNa.    But a brahma jnAni
> realizes that the jeeva-hood or jeevatva or he is katru bhoktru itself is
> a false appearance and it was only due to avidyA..where is the question of
> traces of this avidyA in him??  If at all we call someone as jeevanmukta,
> that person should be paripUrNa and dOsha rahita no??  even if he has
> 'lesha mAtra' avidyA, then he is not perfect or paripUrNa jnAni..


In 4.1.15 the Acharya says:

बाधितमपि तु मिथ्याज्ञानं संस्कारवशात् कञ्चित्कालं अनुवर्तते...

False knowledge, even though sublated, indeed continues for some time
owing to samskAra....

As per the above, the Jnani is not paripUrNa and doSha rahita as the
mithyaa jnAna that was the cause of samsara continues for some time
owing to samskara.  Is not Shankara presenting a
mithyaajnaana-lingering dOSha sahita Jnani as a jeevanmukta?

>
>>  And finally, my request to the avidyAlesha flag holders to clarity
> whether the above classification is acceptable to them to agree there is
> no question of avidyAlesha in eka jeeva vAda??  Sri Subbu prabhuji, please
> clarify Sri ravi prabhuji's classification is in line with your line of
> thinking with regard to avidyAlesha.


In eka jiva vAda, sadyomukti is admitted.  That is the characteristic
of that vAda.  There is no conception of a Jnani at all there as none
will be there to call him so, including he himself.  It is only in the
nAnA jiva vAda one can talk of a Jnani and jivanmukti.  To enable
this, one has to admit avidya lesha as taught in BSB 4.1.15, etc.

Personally, I am yet to find Bhashya reference for sadyomukti.
Consistently, the Acharya comments on shruti/smriti/sutra on jnana
destroying karma, prArabdha, etc. by emphatically admitting
jivanmukti, as I showed a sample of such instances recently. I would
like to be informed about His admitting sadyomukti by the learned
members.

Regards,
subbu