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[Anbu sivam2]

Dear Sri Krishnamoorthyji,

In prakrthi nothing can be concretely fixed because it will negate its ever
changing character.  Even though you are essentially right in your
contention on the question of free will which has support in Geetha vaakya
there are also sayings in the same Geetha exhorting Arjuna to do his
potential.  Such appeal would seem meaningless if there is a concrete
understanding of one's destiny.

A jeeva would not be a jeeva if he understands himself to be an automaton.
The example of Sri Rama as the perfect man who realizes his potential to
prove all purushaartha is possible in a dhaarmic world would not be
meaningful if he was to be understood as lacking free-will.  Without
free-will you might as well portray him with a magic wand in his hand.

Also a jeeva is a jeeva by the nature of his being a kinjignyan.  There can
be no jeeva devoid of the idea of free will unless he has become a jeevan
muktha.  We talked enough on the characteristics of jeevan muktha in this
forum and so a jeevan muktha is not part of the discussion in this thread.

In essence, the basic understanding that everything is destined, even though
is correct would not be acceptable to the jeeva.  That is how a jeeva has
been made.  This must also be realized.

Samsaara saagaram is quite tricky, isn't it!

With best regards,
Sri GurubyO Namaha
Anbu

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 2:54 AM, <srirudra at vsnl.com> wrote:

> Dear Member
> In my opinion the jiva has no free will.What the jiva thinks as its
> decisions are out of its own free will is all  maya.In fact the vasanas of
> previous births are responsible for one`s final decision and action.Just
> like -just an example to understand the thought process-gravity controls all
> objects on the earth but objects act differently yet subject to the
> gravitational force-jivas act differently controlled by their vasanas though
> think that it is their free will.R.Krishnamoorthy.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Andreas Leitz <Murugan2003 at web.de>
> Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010 8:58 pm
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] (no subject)
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> > PranAm Anbu Sivam,
> >
> > please excuse my late answer.
> >
> > Sri Vidyasankar gave to me the answer about the qualities from the
> > student. I am not sure if the student will have the qualities from
> > the very beginning or if he has to earn some of them while
> > studying. But before I go on to ask, I will look for the commentary
> > of Shankara when I stay in India in July.
> >
> > At the moment I think there is free will, but some time ago there
> > was a discussion on the free will by some members of this list.
> > Their discussion confused me a little. Sri Vidyasankar is right, I
> > am just a beginner of this philosophy and some parts I didn´t
> > understand till now. So I placed the question before the learned
> > members of this list. If there is free will, no explanation is
> > needed. But when you give a negative answer to the free will, the
> > question arise, who takes the decision to become a student. The
> > same question arise to all aspects where  a decision has to be
> > done. But I didn´t have an answer to this question. Who takes the
> > decision to become a student, if not the student ( aham) himself?
> >
> > Thanking you
> > Andreas
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