[Advaita-l] Swami Nithyananda

[Anbu sivam2]

Dear Rameshji,

Selecting a Guru is not exactly like selecting which secular school is the
best to go to.  In other words trade Gurus are different from the spiritual
Gurus.

There is an intrinsic relationship between a Guru and a sishya  in both.

What we are concerned is about bogus Gurus who wear ochre robe to cheat.
While everyone is in need of a spiritual Guru all people are not equipped
with the ability to spot a bogus Guru like some claim they can.

Paamara Janas in need of Vidya are hampered by their avidya in knowing the
real from the bogus.

Regards,
Anbu

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:49 AM, RAMESH RAMANAN
<rameshramanan at yahoo.co.uk>wrote:

> Pranams to all members on the board,
>
> Sri Sankara in his Viveka Choodamani and the Sri Guru Gita clearly deal
> with the Lakshanas of an ideal Guru. The Sri Guru Gita very specifically has
> Mother Parvathi asking Lord Shiva about the fate of the misguided souls who
> fall victim to rascals in the garb of gurus. Lord Shiva replies that their
> fate is indeed miserable and they do not get realisation. Hence, genuine
> sadhakas should shun such bogus gurus, like the plague and the really worthy
> guru is to be selected after examination/observance of the Guru over a
> period of time.
>
> Pranams once again to all the members, Ramesh
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 23/3/10, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Swami Nithyananda
> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Date: Tuesday, 23 March, 2010, 17:31
>
> I think there is an ancient text giving how to choose guru and what are the
> klakshnanas of a good guru. I do not recall the details now.. May be some of
> our members may recall that.
>
> Regards,
>
> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya
>
> --- On Mon, 3/22/10, Vidyasankar Sundaresan <svidyasankar at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Vidyasankar Sundaresan <svidyasankar at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Swami Nithyananda
> To: "Advaita List" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 8:55 AM
>
>
>
>
> > "A person who acquires Yoga siddhis is not necessarily a good guru."
> >
> > Who is a good Guru? I would like to know how you certify a Guru as Good,
> > bad and neutral - both Yogic and otherwise.
> >
>
>
> Dear Sri Anbu Sivam,
>
>
>
> Why do you ask me for more than what I said? I am not an authority
> to certify who is a good Guru, nor do I intend to set myself up as one.
> Others have posted more details of the traditional marks to identify
> good Gurus and I can do no better than point to these traditional
> identifiers. However, I can, along with most people on this earth,
> easily spot a fake! I just wrote what was my own thumb-rule on
> things that arouse my suspicion about people who achieve sudden
> fame and who market themselves very savvily, using up-to-date
> technologies and media.
>
>
> If this doesn't work for you, fine, but please feel free to share your
> own ideas of who can be qualified to be a Guru or otherwise.
>
>
> Also, when I talked of a Guru having a time-tested paramparA behind
> them, all I meant was that this is a minimum requirement for anyone
> who appears in public in saffron robes. Please note that I was only
> talking of saffron robes, because that is a time-honored, cultural
> indication of a sannyAsin. And there are time-honored, cultural
> expectations of behavior from a sannyAsin so long as the said
> sannyAsin continues to interact with others in society. I was not
> talking of institutions at all, no matter how ancient or modern. To
> me, it is immaterial whether a given sannyAsin is a pIThAdhipati or
> not. In fact, the pIThAdhipati status can often be a distraction to
> most human beings who may be inclined to sannyAsa. Only some
> institutions have managed to consistently get around this problem.
> Of course, there is no guarantee that some individual sannyAsin will
> not betray the stringent requirements of his inherited paramparA.
>
>
> And of course, there is also the rare and occasional exception of
> someone who does not come from a recognized paramparA being a
> good Guru as traditionally described. There is no problem there too,
> because such a rare and occasional exception easily stands out as
> the authentic article.
>
> Regards,
>
> Vidyasankar
>
> ps. When I wrote my first email that you responded to, I did not have
> anybody specific in mind. I did not even intend to say anything specific
> about this Swami Nityananda, because I don't care to delve into the
> details of the current scandal. My comments were meant in a highly
> generic sense, because like it or not, human life in society is governed
> by generic codes of conduct.
>
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