[Advaita-l] Swami Nithyananda

[Anbu sivam2]

That is his view and he is entitled to it.

On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Sriram Krishnamurthy <
asksriramjobs at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mr. Anbu,
> You have said.
> "Peetaadhipathis like Kanchi Aachaarya also walked into Chery to
> meet with paamara janas in order to stop conversion."
>
> The answer is previously given by Mr.Vidyashankar for Guru Lakshana
> Quote
> 5. *if some guru has  a penchant for being in the news all the time, it is
> suspicious, to say the  least. Guru-dom is not a tradeable commodity to be
> marketed and publicized  via media outlets.
> *Unquote
>
> Regards,
> Sriram
>
> On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "As long as these leaders and  the institutions they run are not frauds,
> > and
> > their goals are not anti social, adhArmic, there should be no condemning
> of
> > them.  Leaders, especially with charisma are looked upon by those special
> > groups, who indeed form the majority of our society, as those who can
> take
> > them up the spiritual ladder."
> >
> > I completely agree with Subramanianji on this.
> >
> > Swamy Nithyaananda is a blend of Ramakrishna Mission with his own roots
> in
> > Thiruvannamalai and Ramana Maharshi.  He is more of a Hindu than
> > Ramakrishna
> > Mission.  He is no different from Swamy Chinmayananda or Swamy Dhayananda
> > except that he has more native followings.
> >
> > I suspect the hand of Christian Missionaries who are international in
> > character and the ever detracting culprits of adharmic secularists in the
> > media,  never ending vishamis of the Dravidian politicians and their
> > constant robbing of properties of peaceful citizens using goondaism and
> > blackmail and so on.  Our Hindu temples are owned and operated by the
> > politicians as their cash cow.  There are no kshathriyas to protect our
> > dharma.  We all have to wake up to this reality while talking philosophy.
> >
> > Since the advent of secularism the varnasrama dharma has gravely
> weakened.
> > This has not only created confusion on the minds of the janas on their
> > purushaartha but also not provided guidance from Madaadhipathis who were
> > increasingly getting into their shell away from the common folks.  The
> > vacuum got filled by spiritual leaders from non-sampradhaaya traditions
> > many
> > of whom are doing a great job of unifying the Hindus thirsting for
> > spiritual
> > guidance.  Peetaadhipathis like Kanchi Aachaarya also walked into Chery
> to
> > meet with paamara janas in order to stop conversion.  I do not think
> other
> > traditional Achaaryas such as Sringeri Achaarya would venture into such
> > revolutionary act.  Swamy Chinmayananda and Swamy Dhayaananda do not
> belong
> > to Sampradhaaya traditions.  In fact they belonged to the elitist group
> who
> > completely shunned Karma Kaanda but people like Sathya Sai Bhaaba conduct
> > yagnas.
> >
> > But all these non-traditional Swamys are a source of inspiration for the
> > Hindu diaspora abroad who for all practical purposes have given up on
> > varnaasrama dharma.  In some sense they do peddle yoga, thanthra and
> > gnyaana
> > to Hindus of Indian origin and non-Hindus who are dissatisfied with their
> > own religion.  In a way they are more rooted in the west.  In India
> > Ramakrishna Mission got attacked by the secularists and so they had to
> say
> > they are their own religion different from mainstream Hindus in order to
> > save themselves from the attack from the secular laws.
> >
> > Thus we should all realize that secularism is the main cause for the
> attack
> > on Hinduism and the only way to protect Hinduism is the revival of the
> > Kshathriyas.  Sri Aurobhindho advocated this but it is yet to be
> fulfilled.
> >
> > Om Sri GurubyO Namaha
> > Anbu
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 2:09 AM, V Subrahmanian <
> v.subrahmanian at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Satish ji,
> > >
> > > You have highlighted some important issues.  Especially the ones
> > regarding
> > > conversion and the target of atheistic forces is of great concern to
> all
> > > our
> > > Hindu Religious leaders, Peethadhipathis, big and small, cutting across
> > > internal deity/school/sampradaya differences.
> > >
> > > I have witnessed the Pejawar Mutt Seer (Madhva) working in unison with
> > the
> > > Adi Chunchanagiri Swami (Gowda/Vokkaliga).  They hold joint programmes,
> > > share the same dias and address a lot of issues concerning the lower
> > > starata
> > > of the society, caste-wise and class-wise.
> > >
> > > If the lower caste Hindus have to be weaned away from the lures of the
> > > forces bent upon conversion, a number of strategies become the need of
> > the
> > > hour.
> > >
> > > Not all people of the Hindu fold are adhikAri-s for shAstra education.
> > > There are a number of sections who do not even come under the varna
> > dharma.
> > > Their religious requirements, in the ultimate view of their spiritual
> > > development must be taken care of.  Not all Peethams are cut out for
> > this.
> > > There is a need for certain kind of institutions, leaders, practices,
> > etc.
> > > that are suited for such people who do not come under the
> > shAstra-adhikAri
> > > groups.
> > >
> > > As long as these leaders and  the institutions they run are not frauds,
> > and
> > > their goals are not anti social, adhArmic, there should be no
> condemning
> > of
> > > them.  Leaders, especially with charisma are looked upon by those
> special
> > > groups, who indeed form the majority of our society, as those who can
> > take
> > > them up the spiritual ladder.
> > >
> > > Take for instance the Melmaruvathur institution.  To my knowledge for
> the
> > > last nearly three decades this institution has been a centre of great
> > > religious awakening.  Innumerable people, especially from the
> non-brahmin
> > > communities, are followers of this 'Amma' who is a male.  He is very
> > famous
> > > in that part of the Tamil Nadu state.  A lot of funds generagted there
> is
> > > spent on professional education colleges, social upliftment programmes,
> > > etc.  I have known a  number of Brahmin women and a few men too who are
> > > ardent devotees of this 'Amma'.  They observe vratams, like Sabarimalai
> > > devotees, annually and make devout pilgrimages.
> > >
> > > The Sathya Sai phenomenon of Puttaparthi too is one such.  We may not
> see
> > > much of ShAstra learning, etc. there.  Yet, these institutions provide
> > > great
> > > solace to a large majority of the society.  Their religious and
> spiritual
> > > needs are greatly catered to by these institutions.  I think the
> > > proliferation of such institutions came as a natural consequence of
> > people
> > > realizing that the Peethams of the Top Class are more Brahmin-friendly
> > and
> > > to a certain extent non-inclusive.  This is a fact that none can deny.
> > >
> > > At the end of the day, the test is: Is a leader and the institution
> > > indulging in fraud, anti social, anti government and adhArmic
> activities?
> > > If they can't be faulted on these grounds, there should be no objection
> > to
> > > their functioning, leading people to the higher spiritual goals.
> > >
> > > We do not know who needs what kind of guidance.  The Protector,
> Provider
> > > God
> > > has innumerable plans, devices, methods, paths laid out for each
> > > individual.  He attracts people to His fold thru miracles, siddhis,
> cures
> > > for afflictions, and the like.  For a vast majority of people the
> initial
> > > steps to spirituality could be these.  They need to tread this path.
>  The
> > > finer aspects of spiritual growth through shAstra shravaNam is a
> distant
> > > goal for them.  They will be lead by Providence to this goal.  Several
> > > factors are involved in this growth and Swamis and Swaminis of a
> variety
> > of
> > > class do have a role to play.
> > >
> > > Om Tat Sat
> > > v.subrahmanian
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Satish Arigela <
> satisharigela at yahoo.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Since it is a lengthy article, here are some highlights.
> > > >
> > > > "What became evident to me was that there was “cooperation” in
> informal
> > > and
> > > > unofficial ways among the media, police and lower level judiciary. In
> > > fact,
> > > > many third parties were aware of the attack in advance and had warned
> > his
> > > > people before it happened with specific details of the plan. For
> > > instance,
> > > > one of his top devotees got a phone call from someone based in New
> York
> > > > describing the media and police attack that was to come. His
> > predictions
> > > > turned out to be accurate but at that time the ashramites did not
> take
> > > the
> > > > threat literally. He said that for the right sum of money he could be
> > > > helpful in preventing such an attack. He claimed that the planning
> for
> > > this
> > > > attack had started a year ago. He mentioned that a budget of Rs 200
> > > crores
> > > > was allocated by some overseas groups to demolish Hindu gurus
> > especially
> > > in
> > > > south India, and named two south Indian churches as the nodal
> agencies
> > to
> > > > coordinate this strategic plan. (I am presently pursuing these leads
> as
> > > >  part of my book investigation.) "
> > > >
> > > > "
> > > >
> > > > "These common folks, mostly from the lower strata of Tamil
> > > > society, had walked 300 kilometers for this journey which they saw as
> a
> > > > spiritual pilgrimage. The reason for the anger of Christian and
> > Dravidian
> > > > forces is that his activities have put a dampener to conversions in
> > many
> > > > districts, and several Christians have return to Hinduism by getting
> > > > initiated formally into his organization. The swami himself has
> spoken
> > > > against conversions, and has also stated that the Dravidian movement
> > had
> > > > made Tamil people unspiritual in their lives, and that this had
> caused
> > > > social decay. His Tamil language publications and courses have become
> > his
> > > > most popular ones, far exceeding the numbers in English. Also he is a
> > > very
> > > > big threat because he is not a Brahmin. Because he cannot be targeted
> > > using
> > > > the classical attack on Brahmins, and because the masses in Tamil
> Nadu
> > > were
> > > > rising to swell his ranks, the threat he posed to the existing
> > political
> > > > power structure had to be stopped one way or another."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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