[Advaita-l] Swami Nithyananda

[Anbu sivam2]

Vishyji,

You are talking of a choice.  I don't think you would ever go to him for
spiritual education even if this episode had not happened.  His followers
are a different section of the people.

Nithyananda is pleading that he be not judged peremtorily.  Please see:
http://www.youtube.com/lifeblissfoundation#p/u/5/z1v6yqVdx1Q

We don't know where the girl in question is and what she has to say.

I think we can all wait.

Regards,
Anbu


On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Vishy <vishy1962 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> All are fine,  but I dont see any merits in supporting this man
> 'Nityananda'
> I have read some of his books , nothing has any originality. All his
> sppeches/ writtings are stright lift from that of OSHO (including stories).
> He claims having met 'Babaji' in Himalayas and been named by him, which is
> totally
> bogus claim. Now he says the video are true and he was only
> experimenting!!!
> Does it make any sense???
> Hence better to stay away from such men
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com>
> To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta <
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> Sent: Sat, 20 March, 2010 4:52:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Swami Nithyananda
>
> "As long as these leaders and  the institutions they run are not frauds,
> and
> their goals are not anti social, adhArmic, there should be no condemning of
> them.  Leaders, especially with charisma are looked upon by those special
> groups, who indeed form the majority of our society, as those who can take
> them up the spiritual ladder."
>
> I completely agree with Subramanianji on this.
>
> Swamy Nithyaananda is a blend of Ramakrishna Mission with his own roots in
> Thiruvannamalai and Ramana Maharshi.  He is more of a Hindu than
> Ramakrishna
> Mission.  He is no different from Swamy Chinmayananda or Swamy Dhayananda
> except that he has more native followings.
>
> I suspect the hand of Christian Missionaries who are international in
> character and the ever detracting culprits of adharmic secularists in the
> media,  never ending vishamis of the Dravidian politicians and their
> constant robbing of properties of peaceful citizens using goondaism and
> blackmail and so on.  Our Hindu temples are owned and operated by the
> politicians as their cash cow.  There are no kshathriyas to protect our
> dharma.  We all have to wake up to this reality while talking philosophy.
>
> Since the advent of secularism the varnasrama dharma has gravely weakened.
> This has not only created confusion on the minds of the janas on their
> purushaartha but also not provided guidance from Madaadhipathis who were
> increasingly getting into their shell away from the common folks.  The
> vacuum got filled by spiritual leaders from non-sampradhaaya traditions
> many
> of whom are doing a great job of unifying the Hindus thirsting for
> spiritual
> guidance.  Peetaadhipathis like Kanchi Aachaarya also walked into Chery to
> meet with paamara janas in order to stop conversion.  I do not think other
> traditional Achaaryas such as Sringeri Achaarya would venture into such
> revolutionary act.  Swamy Chinmayananda and Swamy Dhayaananda do not belong
> to Sampradhaaya traditions.  In fact they belonged to the elitist group who
> completely shunned Karma Kaanda but people like Sathya Sai Bhaaba conduct
> yagnas.
>
> But all these non-traditional Swamys are a source of inspiration for the
> Hindu diaspora abroad who for all practical purposes have given up on
> varnaasrama dharma.  In some sense they do peddle yoga, thanthra and
> gnyaana
> to Hindus of Indian origin and non-Hindus who are dissatisfied with their
> own religion.  In a way they are more rooted in the west.  In India
> Ramakrishna Mission got attacked by the secularists and so they had to say
> they are their own religion different from mainstream Hindus in order to
> save themselves from the attack from the secular laws.
>
> Thus we should all realize that secularism is the main cause for the attack
> on Hinduism and the only way to protect Hinduism is the revival of the
> Kshathriyas.  Sri Aurobhindho advocated this but it is yet to be fulfilled.
>
> Om Sri GurubyO Namaha
> Anbu
>
> On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 2:09 AM, V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Dear Satish ji,
> >
> > You have highlighted some important issues.  Especially the ones
> regarding
> > conversion and the target of atheistic forces is of great concern to all
> > our
> > Hindu Religious leaders, Peethadhipathis, big and small, cutting across
> > internal deity/school/sampradaya differences.
> >
> > I have witnessed the Pejawar Mutt Seer (Madhva) working in unison with
> the
> > Adi Chunchanagiri Swami (Gowda/Vokkaliga).  They hold joint programmes,
> > share the same dias and address a lot of issues concerning the lower
> > starata
> > of the society, caste-wise and class-wise.
> >
> > If the lower caste Hindus have to be weaned away from the lures of the
> > forces bent upon conversion, a number of strategies become the need of
> the
> > hour.
> >
> > Not all people of the Hindu fold are adhikAri-s for shAstra education.
> > There are a number of sections who do not even come under the varna
> dharma.
> > Their religious requirements, in the ultimate view of their spiritual
> > development must be taken care of.  Not all Peethams are cut out for
> this.
> > There is a need for certain kind of institutions, leaders, practices,
> etc.
> > that are suited for such people who do not come under the
> shAstra-adhikAri
> > groups.
> >
> > As long as these leaders and  the institutions they run are not frauds,
> and
> > their goals are not anti social, adhArmic, there should be no condemning
> of
> > them.  Leaders, especially with charisma are looked upon by those special
> > groups, who indeed form the majority of our society, as those who can
> take
> > them up the spiritual ladder.
> >
> > Take for instance the Melmaruvathur institution.  To my knowledge for the
> > last nearly three decades this institution has been a centre of great
> > religious awakening.  Innumerable people, especially from the non-brahmin
> > communities, are followers of this 'Amma' who is a male.  He is very
> famous
> > in that part of the Tamil Nadu state.  A lot of funds generagted there is
> > spent on professional education colleges, social upliftment programmes,
> > etc.  I have known a  number of Brahmin women and a few men too who are
> > ardent devotees of this 'Amma'.  They observe vratams, like Sabarimalai
> > devotees, annually and make devout pilgrimages.
> >
> > The Sathya Sai phenomenon of Puttaparthi too is one such.  We may not see
> > much of ShAstra learning, etc. there.  Yet, these institutions provide
> > great
> > solace to a large majority of the society.  Their religious and spiritual
> > needs are greatly catered to by these institutions.  I think the
> > proliferation of such institutions came as a natural consequence of
> people
> > realizing that the Peethams of the Top Class are more Brahmin-friendly
> and
> > to a certain extent non-inclusive.  This is a fact that none can deny.
> >
> > At the end of the day, the test is: Is a leader and the institution
> > indulging in fraud, anti social, anti government and adhArmic activities?
> > If they can't be faulted on these grounds, there should be no objection
> to
> > their functioning, leading people to the higher spiritual goals.
> >
> > We do not know who needs what kind of guidance.  The Protector, Provider
> > God
> > has innumerable plans, devices, methods, paths laid out for each
> > individual.  He attracts people to His fold thru miracles, siddhis, cures
> > for afflictions, and the like.  For a vast majority of people the initial
> > steps to spirituality could be these.  They need to tread this path.  The
> > finer aspects of spiritual growth through shAstra shravaNam is a distant
> > goal for them.  They will be lead by Providence to this goal.  Several
> > factors are involved in this growth and Swamis and Swaminis of a variety
> of
> > class do have a role to play.
> >
> > Om Tat Sat
> > v.subrahmanian
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Satish Arigela <satisharigela at yahoo.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Since it is a lengthy article, here are some highlights.
> > >
> > > "What became evident to me was that there was “cooperation” in informal
> > and
> > > unofficial ways among the media, police and lower level judiciary. In
> > fact,
> > > many third parties were aware of the attack in advance and had warned
> his
> > > people before it happened with specific details of the plan. For
> > instance,
> > > one of his top devotees got a phone call from someone based in New York
> > > describing the media and police attack that was to come. His
> predictions
> > > turned out to be accurate but at that time the ashramites did not take
> > the
> > > threat literally. He said that for the right sum of money he could be
> > > helpful in preventing such an attack. He claimed that the planning for
> > this
> > > attack had started a year ago. He mentioned that a budget of Rs 200
> > crores
> > > was allocated by some overseas groups to demolish Hindu gurus
> especially
> > in
> > > south India, and named two south Indian churches as the nodal agencies
> to
> > > coordinate this strategic plan. (I am presently pursuing these leads as
> > >  part of my book investigation.) "
> > >
> > > "
> > >
> > > "These common folks, mostly from the lower strata of Tamil
> > > society, had walked 300 kilometers for this journey which they saw as a
> > > spiritual pilgrimage. The reason for the anger of Christian and
> Dravidian
> > > forces is that his activities have put a dampener to conversions in
> many
> > > districts, and several Christians have return to Hinduism by getting
> > > initiated formally into his organization. The swami himself has spoken
> > > against conversions, and has also stated that the Dravidian movement
> had
> > > made Tamil people unspiritual in their lives, and that this had caused
> > > social decay. His Tamil language publications and courses have become
> his
> > > most popular ones, far exceeding the numbers in English. Also he is a
> > very
> > > big threat because he is not a Brahmin. Because he cannot be targeted
> > using
> > > the classical attack on Brahmins, and because the masses in Tamil Nadu
> > were
> > > rising to swell his ranks, the threat he posed to the existing
> political
> > > power structure had to be stopped one way or another."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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