[Advaita-l] A perspective -20

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Jai Siya Ram Sunilji,

The question then leads to...how can the drshta of pAramArthika satya (PS) sees vyAvahArika satya (VS). Reason being after AtmajnAna (A) is realised one can only see PS and never VS. And if one can still see VS then complete A is not realised! The argument then could be that the jnAnI sees everything as a modification of Brahman, but that still can't be held because there is no modification of Brahman in PS. Hence the person that's sees both can't be a complete jnAni, however Krsna is Brahman Incarnate, meaning complete Sat chita ananda, meaning if he sees both he's not complete, but this argument can't be held eithers because of him being the complete.

Hope this makes sense.

Any thoughts on the above? :)

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-----Original Message-----
From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:19:30 
To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta<advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] A perspective -20

Dear Anbuji,
 
When Lord Krishna tells Arjuna that He can see his past births and Arjuna can't do that, it means that one who can see the Paramarthika satya can see the Vyavaharika satya as the impermanent reality of the past. 
 
Regards,
 
Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

--- On Mon, 2/22/10, Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] A perspective -20
To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 5:46 AM


Dear Sadhanandaji,

Pranams.

I did say the following:

"Paramaarthika sattha is beyond the reach of the human mind and it is
unnegateable.  Yet the intellect can infer that this is the only Reality
that is FULL."  There are a lot of Vedic pramanas to support this view and I
am sure you will agree.

The aim is to lose the ignorance of you being the tenth man.  As the story
points out the intellect is not the only way to lose that ignorance. In all
our scriptures they proclaim loudly the importance of the role of this
Chaithanyam viz. the Guru that removes the ignorance.  Simply,
"Aachaaryavaan PurushO Vedha:"

In respect of the intellect please do not forget that it belongs to the
prakrthi.  The dormant intellect is of thaamasic nature getting swept away
by the forces of nature.  As Bhagavan Ramana says:  'Dehaathma
buddhEgnyajadau samaanau'.

So this intellect is sought to be awakened by means of prayer to Savithri by
the Gayathri manthra.  The swabhaavam of the active intellect is to
discriminate.  The final discrimination would be for it to discriminate
between the Real and the unreal like the kindling wood that releases the
fire but as you would know that this kidling wood has also to be consigned
into that fire!

Yet in all these processes you would notice that the intellect as the inert
entity has no way of doing anything on its own!!

Actually the entire mithya of jagath has been perfected and upheld by this
intellect.  Can you deny it?  The intellect is much rather a generator of
falsehood and that is its swaroopa lakshanam.  One should stop fooling
around with that.

Regards,
Anbu





On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 7:28 AM, Kuntimaddi Sadananda <
ksadananda108 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Shree Ambuji - PraNams
>
> On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 3:44 AM, Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Perhaps my earlier posting on Sivaanandhalahari dealing with this subject
> > in
> > three parts may be of help.
>
>
> Perhaps.
>
>
> > .  Advaitha teaches us that giving up the intellect enables one
> > to become one with this Reality.
> >
> I think it has already been pointed that what is to be given up is not
> intellect but misconceptions of the intellect. With intellect only one has
> to realize. Without the intellect - one is as good as animal - budhyaa
> vihiinaaH pashubhi samaanaaH - says niiti vaakyam.
> With mind alone one need to realize. without the mind reflecting the
> illuminating consciousness, one cannot recognize the all pervading light of
> consciousness. With mirro alone one can see the face - one should not
> misunderstand that image is the real. Similalry with the reflecting
> consciousness in the intellect, one has to use viveka to shift attention to
> the original using that very reflection. That is what nitya anitya vastu
> viveka involves. Giving up the image as not the original is sanyaasa.
> Shifting attention to the orginal using the image reflection is yoga.
>
> The mithyaa aspect discussed was from adviata siddhi - definitions of
> falsity.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Hari Om!
> Sadananda
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